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Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:15 pm
by Eugene I
Jim Cross wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:12 pm My metaphysical belief system is anti-metaphysics. Similar to "none of the above".
Jim, do you realize that when you are responding to me, you already subscribed to a metaphysical belief that my mind (with its conscious experience) exists. But you have no way to prove or verify this experimentally, so it can only be a belief.

Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:07 pm
by Mark Tetzner
Jim, nice try engaging me again, but do not feel inclined to engage back.
Its boring. You can probably find agreements with JW.
Dear Mr. Shu, I read your announement, BK will not respond anymore and thats totally fine.
He has an anattractive cat and a fluffy wife.
May he enjoy it, he deserves some peace of mind.

Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:42 pm
by Soul_of_Shu
Mark Tetzner wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:07 pm Dear Mr. Shu, I read your announement, BK will not respond anymore and thats totally fine.
He has an anattractive cat and a fluffy wife.
Oh my, I trust it was a typo, and you didn't mean to write "an unattractive cat and a 'fluffy' wife", in the sense that 'fluff' can mean 'superficial' ... If so, then that slight may well get him to re-engage here :mrgreen:

Interestingly, since BK recently linked to this forum from his twitter feed, seeming to spark an up-tick in new sign-ons, apparently he still considers the forum as more than just 'fluff', and worthy of attention, even as he added that he doesn't have time to participate in it. So yeah, it is what it is, and has been for quite a while, seeming unlikely to change, and new members might as well be aware of that right up front.

Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:04 pm
by Mark Tetzner
he may be engaging only with me then!
I meant to write: an attractive cat and a fluffy wife.
fluffy.....all cats are fluffy, all towls are fluffy and so on.
switching out the adjectives, being funny and you get it right?

Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:21 pm
by Soul_of_Shu
Mark Tetzner wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:04 pm he may be engaging only with me then!
Looking forward to that interview :o

Getting back to something pertinent to the topic, I've been reading A Beautiful Question by Frank Wilczek, winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, which may be of interest to the physics buffs here, as well as the strictly philosophically inclined, given his deeply metaphysical musings.

Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:43 pm
by Mark Tetzner
Soul_of_Shu wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:21 pm
Mark Tetzner wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:04 pm he may be engaging only with me then!
Looking forward to that interview :o
He may not be far away! :?

Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:31 pm
by Jim Cross
Eugene I wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:15 pm
Jim Cross wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:12 pm My metaphysical belief system is anti-metaphysics. Similar to "none of the above".
Jim, do you realize that when you are responding to me, you already subscribed to a metaphysical belief that my mind (with its conscious experience) exists. But you have no way to prove or verify this experimentally, so it can only be a belief.
An idealist and a materialist were walking together and discussing their philosophies..

While the idealist was explaining that everything that appears to us to be physical is really mental, they passed near a train track.

"If you are really convinced of your metaphysics, then you could put yourself in the middle of the track and wait for the train," said the materialist.

The idealist answered back: "I might be an idealist but I'm not a fool".

Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:48 pm
by Martin_
Jim Cross wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:31 pm
Eugene I wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:15 pm
Jim Cross wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:12 pm My metaphysical belief system is anti-metaphysics. Similar to "none of the above".
Jim, do you realize that when you are responding to me, you already subscribed to a metaphysical belief that my mind (with its conscious experience) exists. But you have no way to prove or verify this experimentally, so it can only be a belief.
An idealist and a materialist were walking together and discussing their philosophies..

While the idealist was explaining that everything that appears to us to be physical is really mental, they passed near a train track.

"If you are really convinced of your metaphysics, then you could put yourself in the middle of the track and wait for the train," said the materialist.

The idealist answered back: "I might be an idealist but I'm not a fool".
Funny.
Do you have any Materialist jokes?

Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:43 pm
by Mark Tetzner
why was that funny?
:oops:

Re: Entanglement etc. Materialism vs. Idealism

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:53 am
by Martin_
Mark Tetzner wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:43 pm why was that funny?
:oops:
It's not really, but Jim clealy set it up as such. I'm now curious if - since he's a metaphysical nihilist by his own admission - he is willing to take cheap shots at Materialists as well.