AshvinP wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:45 pm
Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:54 am
AshvinP wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:36 am
Why would spiritual science be necessary if physicalist secular science had already figured out the "meanings of human biology", i.e. "rich and intricate world of microbiological processes", and was heading in the right direction to discovering "much new knowledge and so many new meanings"??
Not sure about 'clairvoyance', or what the difference might be, but insights that come to 'physicalist' scientists in dreams have been the source of new knowledge and meanings, just one example being Dmitri Mendeleev, who created the periodic table foundational to our understanding of chemistry, after envisioning the complete arrangement of the elements in a dream. I seem to recall that the double helix structure of DNA also came in a dream. Those dream generating firing neurons are clever little buggers. Maybe it'll come to some neuroscientist in a dream how that works
But we digress.
Yes but those things do not by themselves tell us the essence of what we are dealing with, right? The periodic elements have no
living qualities as inert standalone physical 'things". Same for DNA. They provide useful ontology only to the person who knows to treat them as mineralized
symbols for living ideal processes which can never be derived from physicalist scientific method. That is the position of SS, at least, which Eugene has failed to understand this entire time while raging against it.
This also reminds me of a response I wanted to post to Cleric's comment on Gratitude thread, but I may as well post it here.
Cleric wrote:We can send our intentions like if saying "Living beings, I'm going to leave my home now. I'll be moving through you and I'll be making ripples within you. I'll meet many formless and formed of you along the way. Please accommodate my journey. Please help me not step on the flowers that you have sown. Help me to be awake and vigilant. Warn me if I'm going astray in whatever way you find appropriate. Point my attention to the things that I shall notice and learn from. Help me do something beneficial for the Garden we're all working on."
I know that the above will sound deeply disturbing to many. Most will think "Living beings? I'm not speaking to fantasies!" Yet this is the only way we can move from abstractions to reality.
All of us who have not evolved spiritual sight need to be honest with ourselves intellectually -
this above is what we want to ignore the most. We have no problem speaking of spiritual beings as long as it remains intellectual theory about "angels, demons, daemons", this, that, and the other. Then when it comes to matters of "science", socieconomics, politics, culture, etc., we find ways of rationalizing to ourselves that these intellectual spiritual beings have nothing to do with it. And they do have nothing to do with it, but only from
our particularly limited perspective. We cannot perceive their activities weaving through the physical plane, so then the rule becomes, "out of sight, out of mind" and out of all serious consideration. What Cleric just wrote above about mothers and pregnancy will once again sound like complete rubbish, or fanciful speculation at best, to the person who holds these things as only intellectual theories.
We do that to keep these things at many arms-lengths, comfortably removed from our daily experience of the world content. Dana,
this is exactly where discovering our spiritual activity of Thinking fits in. It is about
resurrecting our deadened intellectual concepts into their natural concrete life through that living Thinking. It is about allowing them to
evolve within our living ecosystem of ideas, rather than remain flattened mineralized pictures we endlessly rearrange to convince ourselves we have great understanding of natural phenomena (secular science). We will never gain an understanding for these things if we are content to do that, to "leave well enough alone", which is really neither well nor enough for anyone who has
concretized the soul-spirit activities we are always speaking of.
As I have made clear many times, I am also someone constantly at risk of lapsing into the above mentality if I don't continually put effort into perceiving something higher than myself, however dimly at first, so that I can evolve into something higher.