(Medium-Long) Infernal Loops of the Abstract Intellect

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(Medium-Long) Infernal Loops of the Abstract Intellect

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We are now discussing a most serious and sensitive topic in an impartial and dispassionate way. This topic comes with many preconceptions and prejudices in our modern culture. Still, if we approach it with good will, seeking only understanding without judgment - illumination without prejudice - I trust that it can be of value for those who persist. The topic is "Hell". I am not asking anyone to 'forget' all that they have ever thought about Hell, because that is impossible. Instead, I am requesting that readers attempt to take those preconceptions and imbue them with a new life - a new depth of meaning - through our shared exploration.  We will first briefly set a few foundations for our topic, so that it becomes more clear why none of what follows is purely speculative opinion or argument, but reasoned observation from our concrete experience. In a
previous essay, we discussed how the spatial dimensions we perceive are intellectual representations of meaningful duration; that those spatial dimensions are entirely subconscious representations of meaningful purposes and goals. In the words of Henri Bergson, "intellectualized time is space... the intelligence works upon the phantom of duration, not on duration itself... the elimination of time is the habitual, normal, commonplace act of our understanding...". When we think intellectually, we fix phenomena in time, via space, for quantitative analysis.

It is very difficult for the intellect to wrap its head around this concept, because the intellect is the one 'eliminating' duration for its analysis of the concept. We can sense this difficulty with a simple exercise: picture to yourself the image of an apple falling. Easy, right? Now, try to picture the act of 'falling' without any corresponding object that is falling. We cannot picture that act in our minds and we will even find it difficult to sense the meaning of 'falling' without any object. By focusing on this non-visual meaning of 'falling', in a holistic rather than analytical way, we can sense a dim idea of 'durational separation' which occurs without spatial dimension. That is how, according to Bergson, we start to "
pass from intellection to vision, from the relative to the absolute... getting back into duration [and] the very mobility which is its essence.” Why is it that Dante's vision of the Inferno has stood the test of time for 700 years now, imprinting itself within the collective Western imagination? It is because his thoughtfully poetic narrative embeds a shared imagery which speaks to our understanding of Hell, not in the spatialized language of a 'place' or one-off 'event', but in the living and durational language of process. It speaks in the poetic language of digressing, descending, and devolving. The richly symbolic narrative provides us the inner meaning of non-spatial falling.

Hell is the continuation of humanity's Fall, recounted across all the world's mythic traditions. The 'hellish' state occurs within the physical and spiritual planes which are interwoven and enmeshed. It is an unnatural progression because human individuals now have the capacity to evolve back to the spiritual rather than descend further into the physical, if they so choose. There are quite a few people who, however, will never consider the 'falling apple' exercise above. They will never make the distinction between the intellectual elimination of time and the higher vision of meaningful duration because they are unaware that this distinction exists. Instead, many people will remain spellbound to the narrative that their intellectual theorizing can lift them into higher spheres of integral meaning. What I am writing here is by no means an original argument. In the 1920s, Rudolf Steiner had already cautioned, "
People must become thinking people instead of thinking machines." A few decades later, Martin Heidegger gave a series of lectures rooted in the premise, "we [humanity] are still not yet Thinking." Around the same time, Owen Barfield commented, "Thought – and indeed anything mixed with thought – we now feel to be no more than a shadow hovering over the surface of something more solid."

"For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him."
- Matthew 13:12


This verse above reflects the "
Matthew Principle", which is considered one of the most "unjust" in all of the New Testament. It does not seem in keeping with the pleasant and egalitarian nature of the Jesus who is portrayed in the Gospels; the Jesus who went around blessing the "least of these" and the "poor in Spirit". Instead, it seems much more in keeping with the 'judgmental' Jesus of the Apocalypse (Book of Revelation), whose angels proclaimed, "... and the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (14:11). Verses like these make clear that, if we desire more penetrating insights into the Spirit of the text as a whole - the Spirit which rests at the base of Western civilization - we must ascend to meet that Spirit in our own thoughtful effort. It's meaning will not simply occur to us as it does when we are in a state of dreaming. Instead, we must awaken to its meaning from within so that we can perceive that meaning in full clarity of consciousness. That is how the 'top-down' grace of the Spirit naturally comes into contact with the 'bottom-up' thought-works of man. It is how we "will be caught up together with [the dead in Christ] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

Take notice of how the Apocalypse, like Dante's later visions, reveals to us an ongoing process of infernal descent which unfolds in stages of increasing intensity. God's judgment against the wicked unfolds in sevenfold stages reflected in the churches who are addressed, the seals opened, the trumpets blown, and the bowls of wrath poured out. Throughout the whole process, the themes of repentance, redemption, and resurrection that we find in the Gospels and Epistles are also implicit, since there is still further for the souls to descend at each stage. Yet we also approach a sense of 'finality' as we cross the verse:  "
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666." (13:18). It is not necessary to discuss this in any more detail for our purposes. We can simply observe that there are seven nested processes of evolution imaged in the Apocalypse, and the 'number of man' appears to correspond with the sixth stage of three different ones. Perhaps this relates to the saying, "the third time's the charm"? The main point being that, even when evolutionary paths diverge due to the Matthew principle (discussed below), each individual has plenty of opportunities to free their 'fate' from the course of strict necessity.

The Matthew principle reveals a patterned progression within both nature and culture. Whenever productive activity is involved, especially creative activity engaged voluntarily, in a 'free market', the Matthew principle holds firm. A small number of musicians have created the vast majority of commercially successful musical hits; a small number of athletes have won the lion's share of professional accolades; a small number of scientific papers are cited much more than all the rest combined. These examples could continue endlessly in practically every domain of human productive activity. Yet it cannot be explained away as a product of mere socioeconomic factors, because it can even be observed in the function of natural ecosystems and the formation of galaxies and solar systems. It is not a moral dictum spoken by Christ incarnate, then, but a revelation of how Cosmic Logic (Logos) unfolds. This revelation is disappointing, on the 'left hand' (subconscious), because it speaks of paths which must necessarily diverge, but it should also be uplifting, on the 'right hand' (conscious), because it speaks to the concrete overlap between human and Divine creative activity. In the words of Barfield, it speaks to how, "
in the course of the earth's history, something like a Divine Word has been gradually clothing itself with the humanity it first gradually created - so that what was first spoken by God may eventually be respoken by man."



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Creative activity, whether in economics, science, art, education, or any other field, always requires thinking. In the experience of most people, it requires either intellectual cognition (prosaic thinking) or what Samuel Taylor Coleridge referred to as 'secondary imagination' (poetic thinking). It is our thinking which integrates our individual existence into the Cosmic whole by perceiving the laws, principles, and archetypes (the spirit) which underlies the fragmented sense-phenomena of the world. What the Matthew principle points to, then, is how optimal thinking-choices lead to cycles of positive feedback and suboptimal thinking-choices lead to cycles of negative feedback. Put another way, our optimal and suboptimal decisions will compound over time, just like interest compounds on a debt balance. That dynamic is deeply related to the fact that we will experience more pain from a loss than we will experience pleasure from a gain. For our purposes here, we will define "optimal" as those thinking-choices which integrate more spheres of meaning in various domains of life, and "suboptimal" as those which leave them relatively more fragmented from each other. The former stimulates the positive reinforcement of thinking-pleasure and the latter disproportionately stimulates the negative reinforcement of thinking-pain.

When novice filmmakers perceive the meaningful commonalities between music and narrative storytelling, for example, they are more likely to weave a coherent and richly meaningful experience for their viewers. That, in turn, will mean more people view their content, their advertising share increases, and more funding opportunities are made available for them to continue their creative activity. Their confidence, motivation, and inspiration is boosted, fueling further thinking-advances. On the flip side, the novice filmmaker who simply mirrors previous works, and fails to thoughtfully integrate diverse spheres of meaning, will quickly find opportunities being foreclosed upon. He will find it harder and harder to acquire new funding for his projects. After a short while, he will experience negative emotions which feed off of each other and decrease his confidence, motivation, and inspiration. The paths of these two novice filmmakers will become increasingly more divergent, creating an evolutionary chasm which is quite large. Their paths will also feed into the evolutionary outcomes of many other people they are coming into contact with in their pursuits. Indeed, whether we like it or not - whether we consider it 'fair' or not - "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer"  through these positive and negative feedback loops within the physical plane.



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We can now observe, then, that the Matthew divergence is truly a 'principle' of our Cosmic evolutionary progression at many different temporal scales. If we pay close attention, then we will also perceive ourselves going through these rhythmic cycles of positive and negative thinking-feedback in our own careers and personal lives; perhaps even in our monthly, weekly, and daily experiences. Every day we experience a descent into the trenches of the material world when we awaken from dreams and sleep, moving from rich and fluid imagery to dim and rigid sense-perceptions. We must then engage these perceptions in 'battle' with our thoughts as the day unfolds, so as to make sense of them at higher levels of meaningful integration. At the same time, we are constantly awakening from a hazy dream-consciousness into the clarity of waking ego-consciousness. Every new day brings with it a resurrection into more meaningful spheres of integrated meaning, embedding the experiences from all of our previous days within itself. The Kingdom of Heaven manifests for us more and more as we become more and more conscious of this evolutionary progression that we are participating in. It is through this spiritual evolution that the 'opposites' represented below are gradually united in our experience; that the spiritual awakens to itself from within the physical; that our qualitative thinking makes Heaven out of hell.


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The Matthew principle points us towards the fundamental asymmetry of evolution, i.e. how the horizontal dualities above can only be united through our conscious ascension on the vertical axis. A living organism which gains a thinking-selection advantage over other organisms in its thought-environment is more likely to leverage that advantage into further ones. Unlike the strictly physical (spatial) evolutionary model, however, the spiritual (durational) evolutionary understanding recognizes that the selection forces are not entirely arbitrary or external to us. It is our own thinking activity and moral orientation, nested hierarchically within the archetypal durations of even higher activity and ideals, which selects for our evolutionary outcomes. When that activity and those ideals are mostly subconscious, we call the outcomes "unfair", and when they are mostly conscious, we call them "fair". As Carl Jung observed, "
until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate." That is the message we also find coursing through the veins of Western scripture; the message that every individual is responsible for the 'sins of the world', i.e. the lack of qualitative knowledge about its spiritual relations, and must bear his or her own Cross through the power of the Thinking-Spirit as they tread in the footsteps of Christ, ascending to the summit of Golgotha.

When one person kills another in a state of relative 'unconsciousness' - for ex., when intoxicated or in the heat of rage - as opposed to killing with calculated premeditation, we say that the former has less culpability. We still think, however, that he is deserving of some punishment. That reflects our intuition that human individuals have increasingly gained the capacity to make the subconscious more conscious. When we remain thinking in a qualitative manner, there is always the possibility of repentance and redemption from the negative feedback loops into evolutionary dead-ends. Keep in mind that "death", in this ideal evolutionary understanding, is an image of unconsciousness. We don't vanish from existence when we physically die, or go off into another spatial realm of 'heaven' or 'hell', but rather our lawful evolution continues on between death and rebirth. This ideal evolution cannot proceed if we are no longer thinking, i.e. if we have squandered the capacity to remain conscious within the post-death duration. The process of reincarnation is generally shunned by intellectual theology, but it is the only logical option to make sense of how all souls participate in the evolutionary Christ-impulse, i.e. the making of what is unconscious more conscious, regardless of when or where they were born in any particular incarnation.

The phantom layer of abstract intellectual cognitions, however, works to exclude souls from the evolutionary impulse. It imprisons us within entirely circular loops of reasoning, with each abstract concept only pointing to another equally abstract concept or back at itself. Some of the loops have larger circumferences than others, i.e. some intellectual models have been spread out more horizontally, giving us the illusion of new meaning, but they all eventually circle back to the same thought-point at which they started. They all 'close the loop' at some point, so no truly novel or overarching meanings can be incorporated within their circular logic. These
infernal loops are actually necessitated by any philosophy which denies, implicitly or explicitly, the capacity of our thinking activity to rise up and meet fundamental truths of existence. Given that so many modern philosophies have made exactly that denial, we have great cause for concern going forward. Below is an infernal loop which, despite appearing so simple and originating in the 18th century, still captures the most prevalent epistemic worldview in Western culture. To seek holistic understanding, rather than unhelpful judgment, we should try to penetrate into the flow of the abstract argument with our thinking; to sense how one thought leads to another, then another, then another, and to the conclusion out of strict necessity.


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On the last leg of the loop, it is permanently sealed and there is no escaping the loop through more abstract concepts, assuming they are consistent with the ones already present. No matter how much more complex the conceptual argument becomes, it will always lead back to the conclusion - "
I can only experience my own localized consciousness (permanently)". This flowchart is not exhaustively accounting for the actual concepts invoked in the arguments, but rather it is distilling the core philosophical concepts into their essential meanings so we can more easily perceive how the thought-progression unfolds. Going from particularized concepts on the surface of a worldview to their deeper layers of meaning is a reliable way to begin extricating ourselves from the horizontal flow and gain a higher vantage point on it. We are seeking to sympathize deeply with the pattern of thinking, not by adopting the pattern for ourselves (we already have this dualistic habit of thinking), but the exact opposite. We can only begin to understand a flow pattern of thinking activity after we have managed to rise above that flow to some extent. We cannot understand the experience of "hotness" until we have experienced a few varying degrees of temperature; likewise, we cannot understand infernal thinking loops until we have experienced their functioning across several worldviews.

From this foundational Kantian infernal loop we observed above, many other ones emerged as derivatives in the 19th and 20th centuries. There is the
Marxian loop, which concludes that our own ideas are only reflections of our socioeconomic status at any given time. Instead of the physical (material) acting as a reflection of the spiritual (meaningful), the relationship is inverted. The strict necessity of material relations is given priority as the determining factor of our evolution, because the spiritual element (qualitative thinking) has been excluded from the loop. Then there is the Freudian loop, which concludes human civilization and all its 'discontents' can be reduced to unconscious sexual desires. These are considerd base physical desires which we cannot ever get to the bottom of via thinking and, therefore, we cannot understand more deeply so that they can be transfigured into their higher meaningful essence. We also have the Nietzschean loop, which is more nuanced, but has been adopted by many thinkers as a reduction of human ideals, such as moral meaning, to a "will-to-power" within the physical plane. There is also the 'post-structural' linguistic loop, which concludes all word-symbols are merely pointing to other word-symbols with no deeper layers of meaning discernible to our systematic thinking, i.e. there can be no archetypal 'meta-narratives' of the sort Dante envisioned in his Divine Comedy


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It should be clear that the concepts in these loops are not fundamentally "wrong", but rather they are incomplete because they remain within a flattened and circular plane of thinking. What is common to all such loops? They all lethally undermine the central role and efficacy of our own thinking activity . Moreover, they all force the person engaged in the loop to rely on increasingly more abstract concepts as they seek more understanding. The religious fundamentalist, for example, must perpetually generate doctrines and dogmas, with endless intellectual interpretations, to remain relevant in any spiritual conversation. That is because the other alternative - direct perceiving and knowing of what the doctrines are symbols for - has been excluded from the thought-loop. None of these infernal loops are logically necessary or warranted from our given experience. They are simply the consequence of an intellect which has subconsciously decided to stop reasoning through its experience whenever reaching its subconsciously desired conclusion. It is the software program repeating or terminating itself once it has cycled through its pre-programmed code. Below is a crude illustration of what a 'paradisiacal' loop could look like for the intellect which comes to understand itself deeply and thereby transcend its own strict necessity. It spirals from flattened conceptions to three- and four-dimensional imaginations of qualitative meaning, without forsaking any of the quantitative resolution gained by the intellect.


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When we remember that intellectual loops which present to us in a spatial way are actually loops of meaningful duration, it should become more evident why there is a more-than-metaphorical connection between circular infernal loops of the abstract intellect and the ceaseless torment Dante and others have envisioned within the rungs of 'Hell'. It is no coincidence that we all share a deep anxiety concerning the mechanistic routines of modern material existence. We dimly sense that we are stuck in our own version of the movie Groundhog's Day; that our existence cycles through an endless loop of
flattened meaning. No matter what we do or how we do it, the Newtonian clock resets and we cycle through the same basic meaningful experiences once again. How much novelty do we actually sense in the meaning of our experience as our adult life unfolds from day to day; as we wake up, brush our teeth, drink our coffee, check our phones and computers, commute to school or work (or, increasingly, study and work from home), eat our lunch, finish our classes or work, eat our dinner, hit the gym (maybe), watch our favorite TV shows, periodically check our social media throughout the whole process, and eventually get to sleep? Are we truly alive or are we merely simulating abstract conceptions of "life" with our intellect?



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This concern over the
mechanization of life really took shape in the early to mid-19th century, in thinkers such as Goethe, Emerson, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Nietzsche, and others, and it has become increasingly more intense ever since. In the last few decades, especially, we have seen the explosion of cultural commentaries on this 'rat race' of our mechanized existence, but very few commentaries on why it exists and even fewer on what concrete steps we can take to move beyond it. There is nothing wrong with set routines, per se, but there is also nothing which precludes the mining of novel meaning from those routines except our own resistance to more imaginative thinking which spirals upwards. The lack of novel experience is not a fixed law of reality, but a natural consequence of our own intellectual thinking-choices which negatively feedback into each other and spiral downwards at an accelerated pace. Even more worrisome is that, as the intellectual loops grow more complex to create the illusion of novel experience and meaning, the actual meaningful aspect of the loop appears to be growing smaller. It is as if we are approaching a 'singularity' when we will repeat a single moment of meaningful existence - perhaps a painful and dreadful moment - for all eternity.





We can't dismiss these imaginations of modern cinema as mere 'fancy' any more than we can dismiss Dante's vision of the Infernal realms. The motive behind the horror is often to sell more content, but these imaginative stories have a life of their own which extends well beyond the localized interests of whomever manifested it in the world. Owen Barfield reminded us that, "
when appraising the aberrations of the formally representational arts... in so far as they are genuine, they are genuine because the artist has in some way or other experienced the world he represents." By 'formally representational', Barfield is referencing those artistic creations which mostly mirrored the quantitative forms of outer appearances. Artistic endeavors which focus on the nature of Time-experience are practically 'non-representational' in this sense. They are dealing with a topic that it only became possible to explore deeply in the last 120 odd years. The Time Machine, written by H.G. Wells in 1895, is considered to be the original artistic treatment in that connection. The intellectual and imaginative obsession with 'time-travel' has only intensified since then. If someone were to ask us, "what would you consider to be the experience of Hell?", then the clip above would rank quite high on our list. Total unconsciousness would be preferable, because at least then we would no longer know how dreadful our fate had become. 



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Our greatest hope, however, is in the fact that our imaginative awareness of what the Infernal realms are, in their durational essence, takes us a major step down the progressive evolutionary path leading away from the dreadful experience of those same realms. This awareness reflects the spiritual seed of our Thinking-organism which houses the potential of our entire future becoming; our evolving away from the forces of darkness, unconsciousness, fragmentation, and death. The further we evolve by nourishing that seed within us, with deep and disciplined thought, the more unlikely it becomes that our Thinking-organism will succumb to the forces of devolution. The poor can only become poorer in the physical (spatial) world with limited material resources, i.e. in a zero-sum game. Within the higher meaningful realms of the spiritual plane, these resources are no longer a limiting factor for the beings who consciously participate and cooperate to make the Cosmic evolution possible. In these realms, there is only the poor in Spirit becoming more rich in Spirit, if they so choose. There are beings who consciously ascend from the Inferno of the physical plane to the Purgatorio and Paradiso of the higher spiritual realms consisting in imaginations, inspirations, and intuitions. By accessing these realms of ideation, "...we all, with unveiled faces, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory."

I must admit, my desire to lessen the fright of our unfolding Apocalypse played no small part in my motivation to write this essay.  As always, we can only confront our terrors, whether they are localized or Cosmic ones, by knowing them deeply. This path of qualitative knowledge will only become as complicated as we ourselves make it. If we find it difficult to imagine right now, then it is only because we have made few, if any, genuine attempts to imagine it. Once we seek first the Kingdom of God in righteousness, we ascend along the 'low-entropy gradient' of the qualitative Sun and the hyper-complex phenomena which surround us - our own living organism most of all - become more simple to understand. Our understanding then compounds in ever-greater proportion with our good will and qualitative thinking effort. It becomes a boon not only to our own localized interests, but to the collective interests of all 'idea-beings' who evolve the Cosmic organism. We even learn to love our 'enemies' who are currently working towards our devolution; to one day redeem them from their own descent into the abyss of unconsciousness. That is when we come to realize the deeper significance of the doctrine, Imatatio Christi. It is no longer an intellectual dogma for us, but instead it becomes a reality to be experienced and embraced in full consciousness.


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Thank you, Ashvin, for another rich and stimulating essay. If I have grasped your argument correctly, Hell is a sort of Ahrimanic enchantment in which we continually project truth and agency outside of where it can possibly be experienced. Have I followed you adequately? Of course, if it is true, then a number of things follow. First is that no present occupant of Hell could ever recognize his condition. As Boethius says, "the higher comprehends the lower" and not vice versa. This would neatly dovetail with the Matthew divergence (brilliant coinage, by the way, although as I think it through I wonder if there is perhaps a more accurate term, since a similar statement appears in all of the synoptics) in that only a person who had some inkling of his condition would have any possibility to escape it. Inversely, no one who did not think he was in Hell would be bothered to set about attempting to escape it. Hence, just as Christ the Logos predicted, "whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." This topic immediately invokes, for me, the image that Plato presents in the Allegory of the Cave. As a hermeneutical point, we have to see the cave-dwellers not as them but as us for the parable to have any meaning. As long as we think the prisoners are fettered in the cave by anything other than their smug satisfaction that they are not, then it is in fact ourselves that are being depicted. Does this seem right?
Blind byþ bam eagum se þe breostum ne starat.
“Blind in both eyes, who sees not from the heart.”

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Cardenio wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:39 pm Thank you, Ashvin, for another rich and stimulating essay. If I have grasped your argument correctly, Hell is a sort of Ahrimanic enchantment in which we continually project truth and agency outside of where it can possibly be experienced. Have I followed you adequately? Of course, if it is true, then a number of things follow. First is that no present occupant of Hell could ever recognize his condition. As Boethius says, "the higher comprehends the lower" and not vice versa. This would neatly dovetail with the Matthew divergence (brilliant coinage, by the way, although as I think it through I wonder if there is perhaps a more accurate term, since a similar statement appears in all of the synoptics) in that only a person who had some inkling of his condition would have any possibility to escape it. Inversely, no one who did not think he was in Hell would be bothered to set about attempting to escape it. Hence, just as Christ the Logos predicted, "whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." This topic immediately invokes, for me, the image that Plato presents in the Allegory of the Cave. As a hermeneutical point, we have to see the cave-dwellers not as them but as us for the parable to have any meaning. As long as we think the prisoners are fettered in the cave by anything other than their smug satisfaction that they are not, then it is in fact ourselves that are being depicted. Does this seem right?
Cardenio,

Thank you!

I love the way you phrased that in bold. It is exactly the main point I intended to convey.

It's really hard for us moderns to grasp this concept that we exist within different realms in our Thinking, from day to day and even moment to moment. It defies all the fixed spatial and linear temporal notions we are accustomed to. Even for idealists, the concept we are in location A when waking up in the morning, location B at work, and back at location A when going to sleep, just seems like it must be correct without reflection or question. We are really tyrannized by the senses in that manner more than we have ever been before. Ideas are not essentially fixed, static, linear, etc, but we insist they must be.

So I think you are exactly correct to say those "in Hell" cannot recognize their condition and therefore would never think to change it via qualitative thinking. Yet, in that same thinking, we do in fact live in spheres of meaning beyond Hell when we are aware of that thinking. We are all subconsciously imagining, inspiring, intuiting, just as we subconsciously breathe, circulate blood, metabolize, etc. We only gain some control over a process such as breathing when we pay attention to it, i.e. become deeply aware of it.

Indeed, the first-person perspective is critical to adopt in all such attempts at understanding. I probably should have stuck an explicit reference to the "3rd person" fantasy perspective in the infernal loops as well. That is the dissociation from our own thinking experience via abstraction that is at the root of all these modern circular loops. Instead of understanding and overcoming the dissociation with time and effort, we are tempted to rationalize it to ourselves as an unshakeable law of Reality itself.

We make up metaphors to 'explain' how the unified Mind fragmented into millions of "alters" at some abstract point in linear time, both of which are only our naive experiences of the appearances around us. Yet we haven't actually explained anything, only found a way to 'confirm' the conclusion we subconsciously desired to reach from the outset. We have closed the intellectual loop and made ourselves feel better about doing it. None of this needs to happen for us today, because we have the qualitative thinking capacity to keep the loops unsealed and read the Cosmic scrolls of our own fate and freedom.

(Note: on the polarity cross, I put "freedom" on one side. Upon reflection, I don't think that's appropriate. Spiritual freedom should be up in the sphere of "Heaven". Instead that could be replaced with "agency" or something similar)
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Upon reflection, it is obvious that we traverse many different realms in consciousness and spirit in a manner that is analogous to, but not identical with, that by which we move between physical locations with our limbs. It is possible to set up an analogy between worlds despite that it is a perilous game insofar as if we forget what we are doing, we will condemn ourselves to the infernal regions. But like Thucydides observed, "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom is courage" so we should not allow fear to discourage us from the pursuit of higher knowledge. Whereas in the corporeal world, our locomotion is achieved through the exercise of our limbs (i.e. either directly or as augmented by various "garments of skin" (Cf. Gen. 3:21) like dogsleds or motorcycles), in the soul and spiritual planes, we travel through attunement, like the way we can match a pitch with our voice that we hear through our ears. Hence our spiritual "legs" are our thinking-feeling-willing's ability to transform itself into the likeness of that which it seeks to approach. You quoted St. Paul's epistle to the Church at Corinth:
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

And surely he must be pointing to this capacity in us?
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Lastly, I am, again reminded of Plato's Parable of the Cave in that the various spatial domains that are demarcated within the narrative are clearly intended as symbols for non-spatial domains that our souls may traverse. Hence it is called "an allegory" and not a "chronicle." "Ascending" from the cave does not mean gaining physical elevation but rather indicates an ascent of mind (i.e. the higher comprehends the lower) and an ascent of soul, as we can experience in a rising melody or quickening tempo. As you belabored in your essay, Hell is the inverse of this process, in which our understanding fragments into factoids and abstractions and our "spirits fall," to speak colloquially, "into depressive states."
Blind byþ bam eagum se þe breostum ne starat.
“Blind in both eyes, who sees not from the heart.”

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Cardenio wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:10 am Upon reflection, it is obvious that we traverse many different realms in consciousness and spirit in a manner that is analogous to, but not identical with, that by which we move between physical locations with our limbs. It is possible to set up an analogy between worlds despite that it is a perilous game insofar as if we forget what we are doing, we will condemn ourselves to the infernal regions. But like Thucydides observed, "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom is courage" so we should not allow fear to discourage us from the pursuit of higher knowledge. Whereas in the corporeal world, our locomotion is achieved through the exercise of our limbs (i.e. either directly or as augmented by various "garments of skin" (Cf. Gen. 3:21) like dogsleds or motorcycles), in the soul and spiritual planes, we travel through attunement, like the way we can match a pitch with our voice that we hear through our ears. Hence our spiritual "legs" are our thinking-feeling-willing's ability to transform itself into the likeness of that which it seeks to approach. You quoted St. Paul's epistle to the Church at Corinth:
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


And surely he must be pointing to this capacity in us?

Lastly, I am, again reminded of Plato's Parable of the Cave in that the various spatial domains that are demarcated within the narrative are clearly intended as symbols for non-spatial domains that our souls may traverse. Hence it is called "an allegory" and not a "chronicle." "Ascending" from the cave does not mean gaining physical elevation but rather indicates an ascent of mind (i.e. the higher comprehends the lower) and an ascent of soul, as we can experience in a rising melody or quickening tempo. As you belabored in your essay, Hell is the inverse of this process, in which our understanding fragments into factoids and abstractions and our "spirits fall," to speak colloquially, "into depressive states."

Cardenio, thank you for another instructive post!

Your analogy to movement in the physical plane is very helpful and accurate. "Traveling through attunement" is great. Cleric also makes the analogy to the octopus which mimics its environment through its tentacles. It seems that's what the beautiful lizard you posted is doing as well?

And I love the Thucydides quote. It fits perfectly with the insight expressed by Rilke - "and if only we arrange our life in accordance with the principle which tells us that we must always trust in the difficult, then what now appears to us as the most alien will become our most intimate and trusted experience." This distinction between allegory and chronicle is fascinating as well. It seems like a great heuristic when encountering ancient philosophy which is otherwise quite removed from our own mode of consciousness.
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Re: (Medium-Long) Infernal Loops of the Abstract Intellect

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AshvinP wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:52 pm
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It should be clear that the concepts in these loops are not fundamentally "wrong", but rather they are incomplete because they remain within a flattened and circular plane of thinking. What is common to all such loops? They all lethally undermine the central role and efficacy of our own thinking activity . Moreover, they all force the person engaged in the loop to rely on increasingly more abstract concepts as they seek more understanding. The religious fundamentalist, for example, must perpetually generate doctrines and dogmas, with endless intellectual interpretations, to remain relevant in any spiritual conversation. That is because the other alternative - direct perceiving and knowing of what the doctrines are symbols for - has been excluded from the thought-loop. None of these infernal loops are logically necessary or warranted from our given experience. They are simply the consequence of an intellect which has subconsciously decided to stop reasoning through its experience whenever reaching its subconsciously desired conclusion. It is the software program repeating or terminating itself once it has cycled through its pre-programmed code. Below is a crude illustration of what a 'paradisiacal' loop could look like for the intellect which comes to understand itself deeply and thereby transcend its own strict necessity. It spirals from flattened conceptions to three- and four-dimensional imaginations of qualitative meaning, without forsaking any of the quantitative resolution gained by the intellect.

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On what basis do you say the Christian narrative depicted in the diagram is not fundamentally wrong? There are scores of alternate and contrary narratives from different religions which can only be reconciled with the fall/redemption model through extreme abstraction. Higher critical studies and other disciplines have significantly undermined the Christian "revelation", at least the exoteric variants.

I'm curious what you would see at the exit path out of the fall/redemption loop - like what you did with the second image here.
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Anthony66 wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:18 am
AshvinP wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:52 pm
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It should be clear that the concepts in these loops are not fundamentally "wrong", but rather they are incomplete because they remain within a flattened and circular plane of thinking. What is common to all such loops? They all lethally undermine the central role and efficacy of our own thinking activity . Moreover, they all force the person engaged in the loop to rely on increasingly more abstract concepts as they seek more understanding. The religious fundamentalist, for example, must perpetually generate doctrines and dogmas, with endless intellectual interpretations, to remain relevant in any spiritual conversation. That is because the other alternative - direct perceiving and knowing of what the doctrines are symbols for - has been excluded from the thought-loop. None of these infernal loops are logically necessary or warranted from our given experience. They are simply the consequence of an intellect which has subconsciously decided to stop reasoning through its experience whenever reaching its subconsciously desired conclusion. It is the software program repeating or terminating itself once it has cycled through its pre-programmed code. Below is a crude illustration of what a 'paradisiacal' loop could look like for the intellect which comes to understand itself deeply and thereby transcend its own strict necessity. It spirals from flattened conceptions to three- and four-dimensional imaginations of qualitative meaning, without forsaking any of the quantitative resolution gained by the intellect.

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On what basis do you say the Christian narrative depicted in the diagram is not fundamentally wrong? There are scores of alternate and contrary narratives from different religions which can only be reconciled with the fall/redemption model through extreme abstraction. Higher critical studies and other disciplines have significantly undermined the Christian "revelation", at least the exoteric variants.

I'm curious what you would see at the exit path out of the fall/redemption loop - like what you did with the second image here.
Anthony,

Thanks for the questions.

First, I hope it's clear the intention of the essay was to move away from understanding sprituality (or philosophy) as competing intellectal theories, as reflected in the first few paragraphs. It is not the fixed concepts of Christianity versus the fixed concepts of other spiritual traditions. Dante's poetic narrative of the Infernal realms is not an intellectual theory of "hell", but a relation of the inner and dynamic meaning experienced through our rhythmic descending-ascending thinking-movements at all durational scales, i.e. minutes, hours, days, years, epochs, etc. If that is not first understood, then little of what follows will make sense. So I wonder whether we can first agree that we do, in fact, experience these fall-redemption spirals in our own experience? As in, the inner meaning of falling into fixed perceptions (passive) and ascending by thinking into more fluid meaning (active). I like the way Coleridge expresses it:


"Most of my readers will have observed a small water-insect on the surface of rivulets, which throws a cinque-spotted shadow fringed with prismatic colours on the sunny bottom of the brook; and will have noticed, how the little animal wins its way up against the stream, by alternate pulses of active and passive motion, now resisting the current, and now yielding to it in order to gather strength and a momentary fulcrum for a further propulsion. This is no unapt emblem of the mind’s self-experience in the act of thinking. There are evidently two powers at work, which relatively to each other are active and passive; and this is not possible without an intermediate faculty, which is at once both active and passive. In philosophical language, we must denominate this intermediate faculty in all its degrees and determinations, the Imagination."
- Coleridge


But these polar forces are working in an integral way (hence the spiral rather than circular loop). When we awaken in the morning, we are not resetting back to where we were the morning before, but our new day embeds all the experiences of previous days. If we can make these experiences more conscious, we can experience the spiral upwards. Getting stuck in the infernal loop is nothing more complicated than refusing to make this integral experience more conscious, usually by way of declaring higher Imagination impossible. This is done by secular and religious people alike, Christian fundamentalists and Eastern mystical thinkers. If we can agree to some extent on these basic experiential foundations, then perhaps we can get into more details of Revelation.
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To be honest, despite reading pretty much everything you and Cleric have written in recent months, I don't really get what it means to "ascend by thinking into more fluid meaning (active)". I get that there may be a depth of structure to our observations and there may be higher modes of thinking, but experientially, I am a mere flat thinker. Perhaps we need to do a series on the development of higher thinking for dummies!

Despite my inadequacies, I'm keen to hear how you understand Revelation.
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Anthony66 wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:53 pm To be honest, despite reading pretty much everything you and Cleric have written in recent months, I don't really get what it means to "ascend by thinking into more fluid meaning (active)". I get that there may be a depth of structure to our observations and there may be higher modes of thinking, but experientially, I am a mere flat thinker. Perhaps we need to do a series on the development of higher thinking for dummies!

Despite my inadequacies, I'm keen to hear how you understand Revelation.
Anthony,

You are ascending from fixed perceptions into the more fluid meaning all the time. It is truly only a matter of becoming more aware of what you are already doing. Here is a crude illustration:

Consider the following sentence in three formulations to discern carefully how your own cognitive activity responds when perceiving them:


(1) "hereliesthewhitemousewhowaseatenbythebrowncat".


(2) "hereli esthewhitemo usewhowaseate nbytheb rowncat".


(3) "herelies thewhitemouse, whowas eatenbythe browncat".


As you went from #1 to #3, you were ascending from fixed perceptions with little meaning to relatively more fluid meaning, by the power of your own thinking. What else have I done in formulations #2 and #3 above apart from creating and enlarging (or modifying with punctuation) empty spaces within the syntax of the letters and words, so that your conceptual activity can fill them with meaning more easily? Nothing else has been done besides that. Note how the empty spaces do not automatically bring meaning to the structure, but only reveal it after your cognitive activity has been invited in to assume its 'shape' and you accept the invitation with meaningful engagement. The same logic used above will apply to all other perceptual phenomena in our experience.

So these rhythmic movements are occurring all around us and within us, each and every day. I am sure you have also experienced waking up from a dream, i.e. moving from the fluid dream imagery, which is rich in meaning, to the fixed world of forms with very little meaning. That is an example of descent or falling. We really just need to pay attention more. This is why we always mention "Thinking about thinking" or "observing your own thinking". We must remember that the inner world of experience, just like the outer world, also has perceptions , i.e. desires, feelings, thoughts. We can also descend into fixed loops of these inner perceptions which then present to us as the same inner meaning cycling over and over again. By observing our own thoughts and connecting them back into more holistic constellations of meaning via our Thinking, we are then ascending.

I really want to see if we can agree to these basic foundations, because there is no point discussing scripture or anything else for that matter until we do. If we did that, then everything written would simply be another intellectual theory of scripture, of the sort we find in modern academic theology, rather than a living experience of the Divine Word and its inner meanings which come to life through us.
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Anthony66 wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:53 pm To be honest, despite reading pretty much everything you and Cleric have written in recent months, I don't really get what it means to "ascend by thinking into more fluid meaning (active)". I get that there may be a depth of structure to our observations and there may be higher modes of thinking, but experientially, I am a mere flat thinker. Perhaps we need to do a series on the development of higher thinking for dummies!

Despite my inadequacies, I'm keen to hear how you understand Revelation.
This is an arena where I think I understand what Ashwin is referring to . . . for example, imagine watching a child play with toys on the living room carpet, there is a certain joy and sweetness to the play. Now, take away the child's feeling that 'Mother is at home', now the joy and sweetness of the play will evaporate.
During the course of any day or week, we've all had experiences similar to the above - - differing levels of sweetness or flow - - depending on how well we've slept, etc.
It is possible to nurture a feeling of 'Mother is at home' on a celestial level - and appreciate the celestial value of the world. Ashwin is proposing to culture this 'feeling' intellectually, and for me, that would be a hard and difficult road.
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