I get your drift TB and I don't want to get caught in a defense of Analytic Idealism. That's not my purpose here, it's beyond my paygrade and I also have qualms with AI. I'm just trying to share my perspective, the way I received/perceived this essay. I'm not sure what BK means by "prime directive." I take it to mean that the embodied mind focuses first and habitually on what has earthly survival value. In this experiential earthly existence, physicalism would be a "prime directive of the mind" because you don't want to walk over the edge of a cliff. Transcending classical physics includes it without the habitual exclusive attachment or "deception" formed out the "prime directive".TriloByte wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:23 pmYou can defeat the delusion of a separate self and at the same time don’t believe that mind’s prime directive is to deceive itself. Bernardo is not exactly a non-dual philosopher, let’s say, as Nagarjuna. He says that his post is about revelations, thatLou Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:06 pmTriloByte wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:45 pm
Lou
While I would need one thousand years to understand all that Ashvin says, yes, I agree with Ashvin on this issue.
If you think that you are a storyteller, well, no, it is mind that is deluding you. If you think, using reason, that there are real ducks, nop, that is mind deluding you.
Please, notice, I am not teelling you that you are wrong, I am saying rhat from Bernardo’s point of view you are deluded.
All opinions, reasons, value judgments, are delusions. So, yes, I agree with Ashvin that what Bernardo says is selfdefeating.
TriloByte,
I get it that you are not telling me that I'm wrong.
With regard to your bolded conclusion I would ask, "What if the purpose is to defeat the delusion of a separate self" and thus bring about a new way of seeing?
“I have a very ambiguous, dubious relationship with first-person revelations. I think they are very useful in a certain way, but should seldom be taken on face-value.”
But he takes on face value his own revelation about mind’s prime directive.
From another perspective on the essay, a la McGilchrist, I grok how a strongly left-brain person might feel quite ambivalent about first-person revelations. I also grok how BK might have felt out-of-sorts in Rio and in Brazilian culture. As a much more right-brained character, I had the opposite experience as an American living in Brazil. When I was asked early on how I found Brazil, I would respond, "It's crazy for my mind and delicious for my heart", which brought forth a smile and hug of recognition from the Brazilians.