Psychic phenomena

[Freefrommainstream]

Hello, there are not many people here discussing or believing in psychic phenomena so I just wanted to touch on this subject and the criticism of it
(It is very late in my country so I will write a short text)
"If psi is true then science is not true"
If psi phenomena exist then they would only expand science which would be a good thing and a proof for idealism. Discovering something new will not damage something, it will only help

My personal experience
I am a remote viewer since 2020 and got extremely interesting results from remote viewing, it changed my life.
It helped me to think deeper about the world and it opened an entire new path for me.

Why did I mention this topic?
No one here really talks about it and the most people here (from what I have observed) do not believe in psi. Is there a reason for this or am I not right?

[JJFinch]

Apparently results from studies have been statistically significant (maybe this is disputed?). I've always heard that the effects were typically quite minor and infrequent, however.

[Jim Cross]

Hello, there are not many people here discussing or believing in psychic phenomena so I just wanted to touch on this subject and the criticism of it
(It is very late in my country so I will write a short text)
"If psi is true then science is not true"
If psi phenomena exist then they would only expand science which would be a good thing and a proof for idealism. Discovering something new will not damage something, it will only help

My personal experience
I am a remote viewer since 2020 and got extremely interesting results from remote viewing, it changed my life.
It helped me to think deeper about the world and it opened an entire new path for me.

Why did I mention this topic?
No one here really talks about it and the most people here (from what I have observed) do not believe in psi. Is there a reason for this or am I not right?

I think most people here do believe in psychic phenomena. You may have gotten the impression otherwise because I have been one of the few people to comment on these topics recently and I am unconvinced.

Since you are a remote viewer, describe my house, my yard, or anything at all about the physical environment where I live. Include some specific enough to make sure you haven't managed to get my general location and do a Google search to find a photo.

[lorenzop]

Science is a methodology, a technique for acquiring knowledge of the world - as such, science can't be true or false. I think you are refering to a specific paradigm or POV (materialism) - that PSI phenomenon could bring materialism into question.
This is an important distinction because there could be science based upon an Idealist POV - or even science with no 'ism' assumed.
Also, PSI phenomenon could modify the materialist paradign, not necessarily extinguish it.
I think if we put down our weapons and take a step back . . . nether materialism nor idealism can be proven or disproven.

[Jim Cross]

Science is a methodology, a technique for acquiring knowledge of the world - as such, science can't be true or false. I think you are refering to a specific paradigm or POV (materialism) - that PSI phenomenon could bring materialism into question.
This is an important distinction because there could be science based upon an Idealist POV - or even science with no 'ism' assumed.
Also, PSI phenomenon could modify the materialist paradign, not necessarily extinguish it.
I think if we put down our weapons and take a step back . . . nether materialism nor idealism can be proven or disproven.

It isn't a materialism or idealism question.

It is a matter of basing your view of the world on facts that can be verified instead of wishful thinking.

[Freefrommainstream]

Hello, there are not many people here discussing or believing in psychic phenomena so I just wanted to touch on this subject and the criticism of it
(It is very late in my country so I will write a short text)
"If psi is true then science is not true"
If psi phenomena exist then they would only expand science which would be a good thing and a proof for idealism. Discovering something new will not damage something, it will only help

My personal experience
I am a remote viewer since 2020 and got extremely interesting results from remote viewing, it changed my life.
It helped me to think deeper about the world and it opened an entire new path for me.

Why did I mention this topic?
No one here really talks about it and the most people here (from what I have observed) do not believe in psi. Is there a reason for this or am I not right?

I think most people here do believe in psychic phenomena. You may have gotten the impression otherwise because I have been one of the few people to comment on these topics recently and I am unconvinced.

Since you are a remote viewer, describe my house, my yard, or anything at all about the physical environment where I live. Include some specific enough to make sure you haven't managed to get my general location and do a Google search to find a photo.

Simply practice it yourself. Remote viewing should be impossible, it is not something controversial like NDE´S or OBE´S . I do not practice it anymore that much, remote viewing someones house and exact location sometimes takes hours and hours for me. You set yourself a mental barrier and brainwashed yourself with Susane Blackmoore. There is a ton of books about how to remote view, buy some and just do it. I was a materialist for many years and only an unexplainable phenomenon in my life changed the way I thinked drastically (no it was not an obe or nde or even remote viewing).

[Freefrommainstream]

Hello, there are not many people here discussing or believing in psychic phenomena so I just wanted to touch on this subject and the criticism of it
(It is very late in my country so I will write a short text)
"If psi is true then science is not true"
If psi phenomena exist then they would only expand science which would be a good thing and a proof for idealism. Discovering something new will not damage something, it will only help

My personal experience
I am a remote viewer since 2020 and got extremely interesting results from remote viewing, it changed my life.
It helped me to think deeper about the world and it opened an entire new path for me.

Why did I mention this topic?
No one here really talks about it and the most people here (from what I have observed) do not believe in psi. Is there a reason for this or am I not right?

I think most people here do believe in psychic phenomena. You may have gotten the impression otherwise because I have been one of the few people to comment on these topics recently and I am unconvinced.

Since you are a remote viewer, describe my house, my yard, or anything at all about the physical environment where I live. Include some specific enough to make sure you haven't managed to get my general location and do a Google search to find a photo.

A critique of Blackmore’s work has been written by parapsychologist Rick E Berger of the Science Unlimited Research Foundation in San Antonio, Texas, USA. While drafting a review of a book by Blackmore, he was struck by patterns suggestive of statistical significance in her psi experiments. Reviewing her unpublished experimental data, he found discrepancies between it and her published works, and other issues. So-called ‘flaws’ were engineered to dismiss significant results, he claimed, while other flaws were ignored in studies that produced non-significant results.

Berger asserted that Blackmore’s change of viewpoint, claimed by her to be the result of ten years of careful experimentation,24 actually resulted from experiments done between October 1976 and December 1978 for her dissertation, and that in fact she was entirely sceptical already by 1977 as evidenced by her own account. He writes ‘the vast majority of her studies were carelessly designed, executed, and reported, and, in Blackmore’s own assessment, individually flawed’, concluding that no conclusions should be drawn from this database without a careful meta-analysis of the source material.25

On the other hand, Berger argued, 30% of Blackmore’s experiments actually reported significant results, contradicting her claims of negative findings throughout.26

Responding to Berger’s allegations, Blackmore conceded that ‘one cannot draw conclusions about the reality of psi based on these experiments’.27

Nonetheless, Berger notes, ‘Blackmore is extremely vocal in decrying psi research in her writings, on television and radio, and before the sceptical advocacy group CSICOP, citing her own work as the basis for her strong convictions’.28 Psi proponent Chris Carter writes, ‘Blackmore has made a career for herself as one of the world’s most well known skeptics of psi’.29

[Freefrommainstream]

Hello, there are not many people here discussing or believing in psychic phenomena so I just wanted to touch on this subject and the criticism of it
(It is very late in my country so I will write a short text)
"If psi is true then science is not true"
If psi phenomena exist then they would only expand science which would be a good thing and a proof for idealism. Discovering something new will not damage something, it will only help

My personal experience
I am a remote viewer since 2020 and got extremely interesting results from remote viewing, it changed my life.
It helped me to think deeper about the world and it opened an entire new path for me.

Why did I mention this topic?
No one here really talks about it and the most people here (from what I have observed) do not believe in psi. Is there a reason for this or am I not right?

I think most people here do believe in psychic phenomena. You may have gotten the impression otherwise because I have been one of the few people to comment on these topics recently and I am unconvinced.

Since you are a remote viewer, describe my house, my yard, or anything at all about the physical environment where I live. Include some specific enough to make sure you haven't managed to get my general location and do a Google search to find a photo.

https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/arti ... ontroversy
Blackmore is nowhere near disproving Psi. Please read good books before you try to disprove an entire scientific field.

[Jim Cross]

Hello, there are not many people here discussing or believing in psychic phenomena so I just wanted to touch on this subject and the criticism of it
(It is very late in my country so I will write a short text)
"If psi is true then science is not true"
If psi phenomena exist then they would only expand science which would be a good thing and a proof for idealism. Discovering something new will not damage something, it will only help

My personal experience
I am a remote viewer since 2020 and got extremely interesting results from remote viewing, it changed my life.
It helped me to think deeper about the world and it opened an entire new path for me.

Why did I mention this topic?
No one here really talks about it and the most people here (from what I have observed) do not believe in psi. Is there a reason for this or am I not right?

I think most people here do believe in psychic phenomena. You may have gotten the impression otherwise because I have been one of the few people to comment on these topics recently and I am unconvinced.

Since you are a remote viewer, describe my house, my yard, or anything at all about the physical environment where I live. Include some specific enough to make sure you haven't managed to get my general location and do a Google search to find a photo.

Simply practice it yourself. Remote viewing should be impossible, it is not something controversial like NDE´S or OBE´S . I do not practice it anymore that much, remote viewing someones house and exact location sometimes takes hours and hours for me. You set yourself a mental barrier and brainwashed yourself with Susane Blackmoore. There is a ton of books about how to remote view, buy some and just do it. I was a materialist for many years and only an unexplainable phenomenon in my life changed the way I thinked drastically (no it was not an obe or nde or even remote viewing).

I doubt you or really many others on these forums know the background I am coming from.

I have extensive experience with psychedelics and shamanism, have done extensive readings on paranormal abilities and phenomena, and even experimented with OBEs (mainly via hemi-sync technology) and lucid dreams.

I think these investigations are valuable on their own merits for trying to grasp what consciousness is all about. However, like Blackmore, I've come to much the same conclusions that she has. In short, there is a lot of self-delusion among the people who believe in the paranormal. The experiences are real but they cannot be taken to be what they appear to be.

[Jim Cross]

Hello, there are not many people here discussing or believing in psychic phenomena so I just wanted to touch on this subject and the criticism of it
(It is very late in my country so I will write a short text)
"If psi is true then science is not true"
If psi phenomena exist then they would only expand science which would be a good thing and a proof for idealism. Discovering something new will not damage something, it will only help

My personal experience
I am a remote viewer since 2020 and got extremely interesting results from remote viewing, it changed my life.
It helped me to think deeper about the world and it opened an entire new path for me.

Why did I mention this topic?
No one here really talks about it and the most people here (from what I have observed) do not believe in psi. Is there a reason for this or am I not right?

I think most people here do believe in psychic phenomena. You may have gotten the impression otherwise because I have been one of the few people to comment on these topics recently and I am unconvinced.

Since you are a remote viewer, describe my house, my yard, or anything at all about the physical environment where I live. Include some specific enough to make sure you haven't managed to get my general location and do a Google search to find a photo.

A critique of Blackmore’s work has been written by parapsychologist Rick E Berger of the Science Unlimited Research Foundation in San Antonio, Texas, USA. While drafting a review of a book by Blackmore, he was struck by patterns suggestive of statistical significance in her psi experiments. Reviewing her unpublished experimental data, he found discrepancies between it and her published works, and other issues. So-called ‘flaws’ were engineered to dismiss significant results, he claimed, while other flaws were ignored in studies that produced non-significant results.

Berger asserted that Blackmore’s change of viewpoint, claimed by her to be the result of ten years of careful experimentation,24 actually resulted from experiments done between October 1976 and December 1978 for her dissertation, and that in fact she was entirely sceptical already by 1977 as evidenced by her own account. He writes ‘the vast majority of her studies were carelessly designed, executed, and reported, and, in Blackmore’s own assessment, individually flawed’, concluding that no conclusions should be drawn from this database without a careful meta-analysis of the source material.25

On the other hand, Berger argued, 30% of Blackmore’s experiments actually reported significant results, contradicting her claims of negative findings throughout.26

Responding to Berger’s allegations, Blackmore conceded that ‘one cannot draw conclusions about the reality of psi based on these experiments’.27

Nonetheless, Berger notes, ‘Blackmore is extremely vocal in decrying psi research in her writings, on television and radio, and before the sceptical advocacy group CSICOP, citing her own work as the basis for her strong convictions’.28 Psi proponent Chris Carter writes, ‘Blackmore has made a career for herself as one of the world’s most well known skeptics of psi’.29

It isn't a researcher's responsibility to disprove psi which can never be done anyway. Nobody can ever prove that something/anything doesn't exists. You can't prove a negative. It is the responsibility of a researcher to prove psi does exist.

Berger's critique is in some cases correct which Blackmore acknowledges. However, it only deals with her research for her thesis done in the 1970's.

You need to review the critique and examine her response.

She gives a detailed rebuttal about numerous errors and misstatements in Berger's critique.

https://www.criticandokardec.com.br/blackmore.pdf

She concludes:

Berger set out to do a meta-analysis of my ESP experiments but has
ended up doing nothing constructive at all. He accuses me of "distorted
information," but in return he has made numerous errors and has seriously
misrepresented my work. Nevertheless, I am glad to be able to agree with
his final conclusion—"that drawing any conclusions, positive or negative, about the reality of psi that are based on the Blackmore psi experiments must be considered unwarranted" (Berger, 1989, p. 141). As far as
the "reality of psi" is concerned, I can draw only one conclusion. It is one
I have often expressed before and with which I ended my autobiography
(Blackmore, 1986a), and that is simply, "I don't know."