Re: Whirlpool's core/first motion
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:08 pm
I will spare you the history of our exchanges with various people on the forum over the last two years, since that's not really important to rehash. Suffice to say, there are telling characteristics of certain worldviews and moods of soul in the modern age. Cleric wrote about this in his very first essay on this forum.Federica wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:43 pm 'If I had known your answer in advance I wouldn't have spent my words'. Can it really work this way. Everything can change at every turn. I may be fine with where I am today only to realize tomorrow that a new call is there and I feel ready to cover new ground. Then what will I do with my lazy-thinker label?
Cleric, "Man, Know Thyself" (2/2021) wrote: The soul seeks its essential nature through combinations of thoughts, be it thoughts about neurons, energy, information, fields of awareness, mind at large, etc. The soul intellectualizes its reality.
The soul seeks its essential nature in feeling life. It lives in imaginative pictures of art, Heaven, God, after life, etc. The soul dreams of its reality.
The soul seeks its essential nature in unconscious will. It conceives itself as non-existence, as picture of nothingness. The soul sleeps away its reality.
Dualism / Nondualism - - - these terms are a bit of a misnomer, or perhaps should be employed with caution. There can be no life where there is no distinction between a wall and a doorway, or myself and a wall.
I'm not writing in order to perpetuate the back and forths but only to present a 'fun fact'.Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:55 am Now of course it can be argued that human creatures are a different case, because they have free will, and thus can resist any given stage-specific work, such that, even as it may be do-or-die, they can choose to die, or at least languish their lives away, avoiding their destiny. However, given the presumed deathlessness of the human psyche, which outlives any given incarnational expression, can they resist indefinitely?
Cleric ... I intuited that you would zero in on that last paragraph, and so glad you did. Kinda busy right now with some work-a-day tasks, but I will delve into your response later, and will probably have some questions. Any chance of an audio book ?Cleric K wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:41 pmI'm not writing in order to perpetuate the back and forths but only to present a 'fun fact'.Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:55 am Now of course it can be argued that human creatures are a different case, because they have free will, and thus can resist any given stage-specific work, such that, even as it may be do-or-die, they can choose to die, or at least languish their lives away, avoiding their destiny. However, given the presumed deathlessness of the human psyche, which outlives any given incarnational expression, can they resist indefinitely?
Of course, it is not at all the goal here to have some spatial image of the Being that we address. It is our whole soul disposition that should express these words. It's the feeling that there are many wells where our world line can take us but we desire to be attracted by the well leading to the abundant Life."Oh Great Being, who gives me my life and thinks its unfoldment,
Even though in this moment I've completely let go myself into you,
I beg you - draw me nearer to you and flow into me.
With all my soul I desire to walk the path that leads me stage by stage into the Divine.
Watch over me, pull me towards you, don't allow me to stray and fall into
The wells which lead my soul into oblivion.
Fill my being with your strength so one day I can start walking on my own
In absolute freedom and out of Love
For the Good of all beings."
I have now read it. I want to understand it more...
Yes...AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:16 pm
Outwardly, if we say "I just haven't been given the proper signs by Divine powers to know I am in the stage where I can proceed and further develop my spiritual capacity", inwardly we feel our entire soul is transparent to the reflective intellect, and that our deepest passions and desires and antipathies have already been unearthed. How else could we be so confident the stage-specific signs haven't been given yet, instead of our own inner soul blockages obscuring the ever-present signs from our view? How could we be sure we aren't confusing the time appropriate for transfiguring within the chrysalis for the time appropriate for hatching into the sensory world? I know this sounds like I am responding to Shu indirectly, but these things are applicable to all humans in our age, in any life circumstances, on any step of any spiritual path.
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lorenzop wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:05 pmDualism / Nondualism - - - these terms are a bit of a misnomer, or perhaps should be employed with caution. There can be no life where there is no distinction between a wall and a doorway, or myself and a wall.
We can think conceptually of everything as One, but re perception, in daily life, there is a difference between the flower and the gardner.
Better than the term nonduality is: infinite value of objective life and infinite value of subjectivity.
In order to properly evaluate the world as it is, infinite self needs to be present and perception of full glory of world needs to be present. Then, whatever content one chooses (or presents itself), the apple, cheese and oak trees; or angels, devas and Atlantis.
And when the One unfolds on the physical plane it becomes Ten, the universe. For just as, from the viewpoint of initiatic science, Two is not the sum of One plus One, neither is Ten the sum of ten units. In order to understand the wealth of meaning contained in the number Ten, we have to study both the One and the Zero of which it is composed. This study reveals that each has its own particular nature, its own particular function, and that they have specific work to do together. And in order to understand this work, we have to realize that they are not simply placed side by side, but that the One penetrates the Zero in order to animate it and set it in motion. This notion is also expressed by the symbol of the dot in the centre of a circle.
Genesis begins with these words: ‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void, and darkness covered the face of the deep, and a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.’ The wind or spirit of God is the masculine principle which hovers over matter – symbolized by the waters – in order to fertilize it. Water is the circle, and the spirit of God is the dot, the One. Unless it is animated by the spirit, matter remains tohu va-bohu, formless and void. But when it is overshadowed and fashioned by the spirit, all the possibilities it contains begin to be manifested, and it becomes a universe, with suns, constellations and nebulae. Our universe, therefore, represents the Zero, matter which has been fashioned, animated, and organized by the spirit. Everything we see in the universe is produced by the One and the Zero, by the One which penetrates and animates the Zero. It is a principle of mechanics that a piston must move within the cylinder in order to activate a motor. Without this movement nothing would work. And what is a wheel? A Zero, the circle, which rotates around a central axis, the One. A wheel demonstrates the work of the One within the Zero, the spirit that activates matter. And we find this mirrored in the fact that the earth itself has an axis, and in ceaseless rotation around this axis spins its mass, the Zero.
Those who know how to study numbers see them becoming significant, alive, and active. In order to form the number Ten, the One and the Zero must be both linked and mobile... Every action that contributes to sustaining life corresponds to the number Ten. When you eat, you open your mouth – Zero – and put in some food – One, and the combination of the two produces energy. When you see, it is because light – One – enters the Zero of your eye. In the same way, you hear because a sound strikes your ear. As for your head, its very shape reflects the Zero, and this Zero has to be penetrated by the One. Left to itself, our head, the Zero, can produce nothing worthwhile. But once it is penetrated by a ray of celestial light it gives birth to a divine child, and we become the Ten.
The number Ten means that one who bears light penetrates the obscurity of matter and illuminates it in order to study it. It is the speleologist who penetrates with a lantern into the darkness of a cave. It is the hunter who penetrates the unlit depths of a forest – for hunting symbolizes something other than the pursuit of a deer or a boar. In the spiritual life there are other kinds of game to pursue, other treasures to be discovered.
The number Ten is also within each one of us. The One is the mind, the Zero is the heart. By means of our mind we have to penetrate the heart – our own and that of others – in order to illuminate it and work in collaboration with it. The intellect or mind, like the piston which goes in and out of the cylinder, must go in and out of the heart. Those who fail to use their intellect in this way will be incapable of understanding. Above all they will be incapable of knowing themselves. One might say that the number Ten represents the axiom ‘Know thyself’. By penetrating the deep caverns of the heart, wisdom discovers the treasures it contains, the hidden veins of precious stones, metals, and liquids. The intellect descends into the dark well of the heart in order to find and draw out its precious waters. The Ten, therefore, represents the work of the intellect on the heart, but it also represents the work of the spirit on the soul. In its most sublime significance, the Ten represents a human being whose spirit plunges into the depths of the cosmic soul in order to pierce its mysteries, and returns illuminated.
Aïvanhov, Omraam Mikhaël. Cosmic Balance, The Secret of Polarity
Thanks. Just in case, I want to offer a tiny concrete example. I hesitate, because, as the theme of my last few posts suggest, I am not confident such things can be understood without the proper experiential (including conceptual) foundation. But I will try this once, anyway. I am so new to this path that all I have are "tiny" examples, but I hope it's clear they are quite significant from the normal waking perspective.
On this we can agree. Putting aside any 'factual' claims, and just taking your musings above as the intriguing possibility of probable timelines, and how anyOne plays a role, whether awaredly or by way of subconscious unquestioned beliefs, in selecting which timeline is realized, while other simultaneous ones remain more nebulous, ones that may be explored and sampled in the sleeping dreamtime. Insofar as intentional prayer may facilitate this 'selection' process (and I take it you're not a fan of the conventional Lord's Prayer), what do we make of the notion of 'like attracts like', such that however much one may vividly envision an intention, one can only ever attract what is a match to one's core frequency, and thus the many references in so-called new-age circles about the need to 'raise our frequency'?