Martin,Martin_ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:18 am This forum used to be about many things. It is now only about one thing.
One thing which has been repeated ad nauseum. Cleric outlined the central thesis of Structured Idealism very coherently and clearly a long time ago. For some reason we haven't - from a scientific perspective - been able to move further than that. (Granted, the last months, I've merely been skimming the posts. Maybe there's a nugget or two in there that i've missed).
Add to that the "I get it. No you don't!" dynamic, and the fact that any attempt to bring something new to the table, runs a high risk of being accused of dualism. (Which, apparently , has ben proven to be the biggest Sin of All in this forum).
This is my perspective. As an example I've been thinking about posting about the merits of Pirsigs MOQ for a while, but can't be bothered because it feels like it would be pointless to do so.
Thanks for weighing in. It’s appreciated that you are adding your perspective. I think that much of what you are saying is understandable. You are nauseated by the Steinerian vibes, fed up with critiques of dualism and exasperated by the straight talk, aka the no-free-pass approach. Yes it might feel unforgiving, and this is all understandable. But your last point… You are not for real accusing those who discuss Steiner of not bringing about someone else’s agenda on their behalf? Or are you? Are you seriously saying that, if the current discussions revolve around one thing, that’s the fault of those who are involved in those discussions, while everyone is free to give life to their own threads, if they only could be bothered?
And if you are not saying that, then what for a thing is making you feel that it would be pointless to post on a topic you care about? Are you not interested in offering your topic the examination and even the constructive critical look of fellow members? Not eager to evolve your own perspectives that way? Why can’t you be bothered? What’s the rationale, or the feeling, behind that? Just because the vast majority of members here, when engaged by Ashvin on their own territory, quickly fall short of arguments, then retreat into silence, can’t be bothered and leave their own open questions pending on all sides, it doesn’t mean everyone is obliged to take a similar stance.
And it’s not remotely a matter of me being patient here (although I do consider myself rather patient, maybe not right now). This is blatantly unjust towards the incomparable levels of patience and goodwill consistently practiced by Ashvin and Cleric, and especially Ashvin. Let’s be clear, because your perspective, or critique, is primarily directed to him, right? Seriously… Ashvin consistently meets everyone on their own terms and questions, thoroughly, extensively, with unwavering openness, regardless of the levels of resistance, at times fog, and sometimes even rudeness emerging on the other side. Can anyone decently deny that? By the way, noticing that, we haven’t even started to look at the substance of the exchanges. However, instead of appreciating that openness, or at least recognizing it, people prefer to speak of cults, of the one thing, and to complain that there are not enough new topics, not enough BK topics, or too many Steiner topics.
Guys… whose job is it to initiate the topics if not everyone’s job on the forum? Did anyone sell you metakastrup tickets so now you want the Great Wheel of Topics @Large to hurl new topics every day against your dissociative boundaries hard enough that you can get some good impingement?
It really goes beyond my understanding how all this holds together, not for all, but at least for a majority of people here. Now, if the reason why people are not posting - not referring to you specifically Martin - but if the reason is that one only wants to get tapped on the shoulder, in all camaraderie, and to receive flattering comments, but zero argumentations and zero debate, that's fine too, but that’s not philo-sophy. It’s another type of forum one should join in that case. That person may still be in love with truth and wisdom, but not right now…