"The Myth of Normal"
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:31 am
Yeah, you are probably right Federica but I'm glad to hear that you appreciate Gabor Maté. I was following an old practice where Shu would often post videos saying "some might be interested." One of the intriguing questions for me concerns how we might assign notions of individual responsibility in the context of toxic social structures. Is it possible? And, of course, there's the question of the role of compassion in the overall scheme of things. Anyway, have at it. Sharing it was more my interest than argumentation.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:04 am Lou,
Please read what follows as constructive criticism. I think that opening a new thread where you simply throw in a youtube link as a fish hook, no matter how much one might appreciate Gabor Maté - and I certainly do - is a little brash. You could at least make the effort of expressing why you are doing it, opening the discussion in some ways, saying your opinion, or asking a question, even briefly. Why don’t you add any substance whatsoever to your link?
I may be wrong, but in my opinion, if we continue in this direction, when people can open threads to ‘introduce themselves’, to ask nonsensical questions, and now to poke people with their preferred links, I could very soon very well start posting my local supermarket flyers every week, as 'philosophical objets', and nobody would be allowed to complain the least about it. What do you think?
Ok Lou, if this is praxis, then it's fine, of course. Thanks for elaborating a little : )Lou Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:54 amYeah, you are probably right Federica but I'm glad to hear that you appreciate Gabor Maté. I was following an old practice where Shu would often post videos saying "some might be interested." One of the intriguing questions for me concerns how we might assign notions of individual responsibility in the context of toxic social structures. Is it possible? And, of course, there's the question of the role of compassion in the overall scheme of things. Anyway, have at it. Sharing it was more my interest than argumentation.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:04 am Lou,
Please read what follows as constructive criticism. I think that opening a new thread where you simply throw in a youtube link as a fish hook, no matter how much one might appreciate Gabor Maté - and I certainly do - is a little brash. You could at least make the effort of expressing why you are doing it, opening the discussion in some ways, saying your opinion, or asking a question, even briefly. Why don’t you add any substance whatsoever to your link?
I may be wrong, but in my opinion, if we continue in this direction, when people can open threads to ‘introduce themselves’, to ask nonsensical questions, and now to poke people with their preferred links, I could very soon very well start posting my local supermarket flyers every week, as 'philosophical objets', and nobody would be allowed to complain the least about it. What do you think?
And thanks for understanding my intention.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:19 pmOk Lou, if this is praxis, then it's fine, of course. Thanks for elaborating a little : )Lou Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:54 amYeah, you are probably right Federica but I'm glad to hear that you appreciate Gabor Maté. I was following an old practice where Shu would often post videos saying "some might be interested." One of the intriguing questions for me concerns how we might assign notions of individual responsibility in the context of toxic social structures. Is it possible? And, of course, there's the question of the role of compassion in the overall scheme of things. Anyway, have at it. Sharing it was more my interest than argumentation.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:04 am Lou,
Please read what follows as constructive criticism. I think that opening a new thread where you simply throw in a youtube link as a fish hook, no matter how much one might appreciate Gabor Maté - and I certainly do - is a little brash. You could at least make the effort of expressing why you are doing it, opening the discussion in some ways, saying your opinion, or asking a question, even briefly. Why don’t you add any substance whatsoever to your link?
I may be wrong, but in my opinion, if we continue in this direction, when people can open threads to ‘introduce themselves’, to ask nonsensical questions, and now to poke people with their preferred links, I could very soon very well start posting my local supermarket flyers every week, as 'philosophical objets', and nobody would be allowed to complain the least about it. What do you think?
Lou Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:54 amYeah, you are probably right Federica but I'm glad to hear that you appreciate Gabor Maté. I was following an old practice where Shu would often post videos saying "some might be interested." One of the intriguing questions for me concerns how we might assign notions of individual responsibility in the context of toxic social structures. Is it possible? And, of course, there's the question of the role of compassion in the overall scheme of things. Anyway, have at it. Sharing it was more my interest than argumentation.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:04 am Lou,
Please read what follows as constructive criticism. I think that opening a new thread where you simply throw in a youtube link as a fish hook, no matter how much one might appreciate Gabor Maté - and I certainly do - is a little brash. You could at least make the effort of expressing why you are doing it, opening the discussion in some ways, saying your opinion, or asking a question, even briefly. Why don’t you add any substance whatsoever to your link?
I may be wrong, but in my opinion, if we continue in this direction, when people can open threads to ‘introduce themselves’, to ask nonsensical questions, and now to poke people with their preferred links, I could very soon very well start posting my local supermarket flyers every week, as 'philosophical objets', and nobody would be allowed to complain the least about it. What do you think?
As long as free will is understood as a process of becoming more and more aware, in a more and more full context of set and setting rather than a simple on/off switch as in free/not free. I believe we all agree that none of us are complete and that freedom is an ongoing work. For me, this includes compassion toward myself and others.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:34 pm I would say it comes down to the question of free will. If we have free will to some extent, we bear responsibility. Does trauma completely erase free will for the average person who lies somewhere in between the edges of the 'trauma spectrum'? Apart from extreme situations, if you don't want to assign individual responsibility, you have to find a way to answer yes to that question.
A bit more Federica. I'm thrilled that some have chosen to exercise their free will to develop more and more spiritually. I also sadly recognize that, in the shorter term, extreme situations (events) are likely to be a prime mover of the more social structural process. This will likely create even more reasons for the more developed ones to be compassionate, caring and helpful to others in the process. I think of this as a transition "from me to we." Most likely, it is better understood as an expansion of love.Lou Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:12 pmAs long as free will is understood as a process of becoming more and more aware, in a more and more full context of set and setting rather than a simple on/off switch as in free/not free. I believe we all agree that none of us are complete and that freedom is an ongoing work. For me, this includes compassion toward myself and others.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:34 pm I would say it comes down to the question of free will. If we have free will to some extent, we bear responsibility. Does trauma completely erase free will for the average person who lies somewhere in between the edges of the 'trauma spectrum'? Apart from extreme situations, if you don't want to assign individual responsibility, you have to find a way to answer yes to that question.