The integral is just that - integrating all previous structures: archaic, magical, mythical, mental and rational; 'unperspectival' and 'perspectival' into 'aperspectival'. Space-free and time-free (not less).Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:24 pmI believe that this raises an interesting dilemma for the model of BK, which stresses mentality although the Integral is somehow not the Mental.
Indeed, we're still stuck with the outmoded praxis and lingo of the preceding stage.
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"A secret law contrives,
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."
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OK! Perhaps it's better to jump into the experience than to endlessly discuss it. I believe this is how initiation works, it's a plunge, a baptism. And after the experience is obtained there will remain an ongoing maintenance of cleaning away the toxicities of lingo. Getting clean does not mean no more baths. The preceding stage clings to developmental lingo. Thus, "the spoken tao is not the Eternal Tao," ever, ever, ever. So, "Be still and know that I am God' or "Shine don't Whine."Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:24 pmI believe that this raises an interesting dilemma for the model of BK, which stresses mentality although the Integral is somehow not the Mental.
Indeed, we're still stuck with the outmoded praxis and lingo of the preceding stage.
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Yes , it's all subsumed. Still, will not a novel integral-stage praxis and lingo eventually prevail?
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
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Eventually there's no other option but to jump in. Yet without discussion, how does a novel lingo evolve and perpetuate?
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
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Indeed, for a while and liberation will become obfuscation. So why cling to it? Why defend it fiercely? Why attach to it thusly when one might just practice letting go? As endless scriptures say, "Surrender to Me and know My Love."Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:55 pm
Yes , it's all subsumed. Still, will not a novel integral praxis and lingo eventually prevail?
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It does it by shining its light rather than whining.Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:00 pm
Eventually there's no other option but to jump in. Yet without discussion, how does a novel lingo evolve and perpetuate?
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Discussion = whining?
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
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You do realize you're whining about the lack of sanctifying over justifying
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
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It can be a fierce back-and-forth as in this example. What I'm driving at (and challenging myself as well) is not just a new lingo but also a new way of discussing. I believe it's worth contemplating.
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