That's a great way to illustrate it, Federica! It reminded me of a video fragment I saw recently (just 21:48 - 22:28, the whole video is on an unrelated topic). We're really learning to recognize the out-of-phase application of spiritual activity and augment it toward a more in-phase, more fluidic one.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 8:29 am Thanks, Cleric.
This reminds me that, in an even larger sense, spiritual transformation can be seen as a disease process. Disease is the imbalance that allows for a rebalancing process to take place, leading to a somewhat more advanced phase. Organic disease is the opportunity to leverage soul-spiritual forces - with the more or less consciously acknowledged aid of material compounds and practices - to overcome their own disharmonies, individual and beyond. As Steiner says, blood formation is a constitutionally ill process, since blood constantly needs healing, through material iron, in order to preserve its quality and function. Therapy, in this sense, can be seen as a way to iteratively close and tighten the manifold circles of evolutionary progression, by bringing the material world into the loop, to counter the imbalances by means of their corresponding natural processes, in this way making the human organism the rhythmic crucible for the bouncing back and reunion of all dualities spread out across natural and soul space.
Cell Intelligence in Physiological & Morphological Spaces
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Yes that's the sickest swing style imaginableCleric wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:32 pmThat's a great way to illustrate it, Federica! It reminded me of a video fragment I saw recently (just 21:48 - 22:28, the whole video is on an unrelated topic). We're really learning to recognize the out-of-phase application of spiritual activity and augment it toward a more in-phase, more fluidic one.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 8:29 am Thanks, Cleric.
This reminds me that, in an even larger sense, spiritual transformation can be seen as a disease process. Disease is the imbalance that allows for a rebalancing process to take place, leading to a somewhat more advanced phase. Organic disease is the opportunity to leverage soul-spiritual forces - with the more or less consciously acknowledged aid of material compounds and practices - to overcome their own disharmonies, individual and beyond. As Steiner says, blood formation is a constitutionally ill process, since blood constantly needs healing, through material iron, in order to preserve its quality and function. Therapy, in this sense, can be seen as a way to iteratively close and tighten the manifold circles of evolutionary progression, by bringing the material world into the loop, to counter the imbalances by means of their corresponding natural processes, in this way making the human organism the rhythmic crucible for the bouncing back and reunion of all dualities spread out across natural and soul space.

"SS develops the individual sciences so that the things everyone should know about man can be conveyed to anyone. Once SS brings such a change to conventional science, proving it possible to develop insights that can be made accessible to general human understanding, just think how people will relate to one another.."
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Cleric wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:32 pmThat's a great way to illustrate it, Federica! It reminded me of a video fragment I saw recently (just 21:48 - 22:28, the whole video is on an unrelated topic). We're really learning to recognize the out-of-phase application of spiritual activity and augment it toward a more in-phase, more fluidic one.Federica wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 8:29 am Thanks, Cleric.
This reminds me that, in an even larger sense, spiritual transformation can be seen as a disease process. Disease is the imbalance that allows for a rebalancing process to take place, leading to a somewhat more advanced phase. Organic disease is the opportunity to leverage soul-spiritual forces - with the more or less consciously acknowledged aid of material compounds and practices - to overcome their own disharmonies, individual and beyond. As Steiner says, blood formation is a constitutionally ill process, since blood constantly needs healing, through material iron, in order to preserve its quality and function. Therapy, in this sense, can be seen as a way to iteratively close and tighten the manifold circles of evolutionary progression, by bringing the material world into the loop, to counter the imbalances by means of their corresponding natural processes, in this way making the human organism the rhythmic crucible for the bouncing back and reunion of all dualities spread out across natural and soul space.
I was just thinking this morning about sharing this article and asking how to understand this new discovery

https://www.revlox.com/world-news/itali ... e_vignette
In an astonishing breakthrough, Italian scientists have successfully frozen pure light, transforming it into a solid state for the first time in history. This achievement challenges our fundamental understanding of light as an intangible wave or particle and opens the door to revolutionary advancements in quantum computing, optical communication, and futuristic materials science.
For centuries, light has been described by classical physics as something uncontrollable and intangible, behaving as either a wave or a particle depending on how it is observed. However, by using advanced quantum physics techniques, researchers have now been able to slow down, trap, and manipulate photons—the fundamental building blocks of light—forcing them into a state that behaves like a solid object.
"They only can acquire the sacred power of self-intuition, who within themselves can interpret and understand the symbol... those only, who feel in their own spirits the same instinct, which impels the chrysalis of the horned fly to leave room in the involucrum for antennae yet to come."
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AshvinP wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:46 pm I was just thinking this morning about sharing this article and asking how to understand this new discovery![]()
https://www.revlox.com/world-news/itali ... e_vignette
In an astonishing breakthrough, Italian scientists have successfully frozen pure light, transforming it into a solid state for the first time in history. This achievement challenges our fundamental understanding of light as an intangible wave or particle and opens the door to revolutionary advancements in quantum computing, optical communication, and futuristic materials science.
For centuries, light has been described by classical physics as something uncontrollable and intangible, behaving as either a wave or a particle depending on how it is observed. However, by using advanced quantum physics techniques, researchers have now been able to slow down, trap, and manipulate photons—the fundamental building blocks of light—forcing them into a state that behaves like a solid object.
This is the Nature article, but only the abstract is available without subscription. I'll look out for Sabines video

If it's a big or controversial thing she'll make one

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08616-9
"SS develops the individual sciences so that the things everyone should know about man can be conveyed to anyone. Once SS brings such a change to conventional science, proving it possible to develop insights that can be made accessible to general human understanding, just think how people will relate to one another.."
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Will this also work when people are streaming games?Cleric wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:01 am For example, if we are walking through a hazardous environment, for example an abandoned building, we can imagine how the different paths we can take are like superimposed tunnels of experience. One of these paths may lead through a room whose floor would collapse under our weight. Then as we intuitively bend our flow in one or another direction we would feel certain resistance in the hazardous direction, it would feel uneasy, fractious, 'clicking', etc. Note that we may not be able to clearly see what exactly would happen were we to go in that direction. The reason is that the laws of physics are part of the elemental flow spectrum of the highest beings. Thus whether we'll be at all able to sense the danger depends on our attunement to the contextual hierarchies.


"SS develops the individual sciences so that the things everyone should know about man can be conveyed to anyone. Once SS brings such a change to conventional science, proving it possible to develop insights that can be made accessible to general human understanding, just think how people will relate to one another.."
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AshvinP wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:09 pmFederica wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:28 pm In which case, the most effective quotes for the purpose would be initially the ones that more directly connect with his work, I believe. So he might most directly realize that someone else already paved, built, and fully decorated the morpho spaces research way, every step of the way. Like this one for example:
Yes, that is a great quote! It's hard to imagine anyone reading it with genuine interest and failing to see how it relates deeply to ML's current research focus, at least enough to be stimulated toward further investigation. I remember the initial times that I encountered such passages from Steiner and was astonished that a spiritual 'guru' could speak about natural scientific phenomena with such precision and clarity! Perhaps an opportunity will soon arise to share it with him.
I do hope he read the essay, but I doubt we'll find out anytime soon![]()
I posted about this on MS' substack, since it appears he is doing a conference on consciousness with ML in April - https://substack.com/profile/46342925-a ... -101963754
"They only can acquire the sacred power of self-intuition, who within themselves can interpret and understand the symbol... those only, who feel in their own spirits the same instinct, which impels the chrysalis of the horned fly to leave room in the involucrum for antennae yet to come."
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GreatAshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:43 pmAshvinP wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:09 pmFederica wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:28 pm In which case, the most effective quotes for the purpose would be initially the ones that more directly connect with his work, I believe. So he might most directly realize that someone else already paved, built, and fully decorated the morpho spaces research way, every step of the way. Like this one for example:
Yes, that is a great quote! It's hard to imagine anyone reading it with genuine interest and failing to see how it relates deeply to ML's current research focus, at least enough to be stimulated toward further investigation. I remember the initial times that I encountered such passages from Steiner and was astonished that a spiritual 'guru' could speak about natural scientific phenomena with such precision and clarity! Perhaps an opportunity will soon arise to share it with him.
I do hope he read the essay, but I doubt we'll find out anytime soon![]()
I posted about this on MS' substack, since it appears he is doing a conference on consciousness with ML in April - https://substack.com/profile/46342925-a ... -101963754

Hey ML is on Substack:
https://mlevin77.substack.com/
"SS develops the individual sciences so that the things everyone should know about man can be conveyed to anyone. Once SS brings such a change to conventional science, proving it possible to develop insights that can be made accessible to general human understanding, just think how people will relate to one another.."
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Federica wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:34 pmGreatAshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:43 pmAshvinP wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:09 pm
Yes, that is a great quote! It's hard to imagine anyone reading it with genuine interest and failing to see how it relates deeply to ML's current research focus, at least enough to be stimulated toward further investigation. I remember the initial times that I encountered such passages from Steiner and was astonished that a spiritual 'guru' could speak about natural scientific phenomena with such precision and clarity! Perhaps an opportunity will soon arise to share it with him.
I do hope he read the essay, but I doubt we'll find out anytime soon![]()
I posted about this on MS' substack, since it appears he is doing a conference on consciousness with ML in April - https://substack.com/profile/46342925-a ... -101963754
Hey ML is on Substack:
https://mlevin77.substack.com/
Nice catch! Hopefully, he will not only use it to write about " speculations that I'm not at all certain about", but also to entertain such ideas from others.
"They only can acquire the sacred power of self-intuition, who within themselves can interpret and understand the symbol... those only, who feel in their own spirits the same instinct, which impels the chrysalis of the horned fly to leave room in the involucrum for antennae yet to come."
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This is the one lecture I would pick, if I had to indicate only one, for ML to come to know. I'll pin it here.
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA075/En ... 04a01.html
"SS develops the individual sciences so that the things everyone should know about man can be conveyed to anyone. Once SS brings such a change to conventional science, proving it possible to develop insights that can be made accessible to general human understanding, just think how people will relate to one another.."
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Speaking of accessible lectures that can bridge the modern mathematical-scientific thinker like ML to the supersensible Platonic space, this one is also great. I think ML has already explored some of this intuition about the supersensible nature of mathematical ideas and thus would resonate closely with Steiner's progression, especially since Plato's thinking space is specifically highlighted.
https://rsarchive.org/Articles/GA035/En ... atOcc.html
"Now Plato looked upon mathematical science as a means of training for life in the World of Ideas emancipated from sense-perception. The mathematical images hover over the border-line between the material and the purely spiritual World. Let us think about the “circle”; we do not think of any special material circle which perhaps has been drawn on paper, but we think of any and every circle which may be represented or met with in Nature. So it is in the case of all mathematical pictures. They relate to the sense-perceptible, but they are not exhaustively contained in it. They hover over innumerable, manifold sense-perceptible forms. When I think mathematically, I do indeed think about something my senses can perceive; but at the same time I do not think in terms of sense-perception. It is not the material circle which teaches me the laws of the circle; it is the ideal circle existing only in my mind and of which the concrete form is a mere representation. I could learn the identical truths from any other sensible image. The essential property of mathematical perception is this: that a single sense-perceptible form leads me beyond itself; it can only be for me a representation of a comprehensive spiritual fact. Here again, however, there is the possibility that in this sphere I may bring through to sense-perception what is spiritual. From the mathematical figure I can learn to know super-sensible facts by way of the sense-world. This was the all-important point for Plato. We must visualise the idea in a purely spiritual manner if we would really know it in its true aspect. We can train ourselves to this if we only avail ourselves of the first steps in mathematical knowledge for this purpose, and understand clearly what it is that we really gain from a mathematical figure. “Learn to emancipate thyself from the senses by mathematics, then mayest thou hope to rise to the comprehension of ideas independently of the senses”: this was what Plato strove to impress upon his disciples.
The Gnostics desired something similar. They said, “Gnosis is Mathesis.” They did not mean by this that the essence of the world can be based on mathematical ideas, but only that the first stages in the spiritual education of Man are constituted by what is super-sensible in mathematical thought. When a man reaches the stage of being able to think of other properties of the world independently of sense-perception in the same way as he is able to think mathematically of geometrical forms and arithmetical relations of numbers, then he is fairly on the path to spiritual knowledge. They did not strive for Mathesis as such, but rather for super-sensible knowledge after the pattern of Mathesis. They regarded Mathesis as a model or a prototype, because the geometrical proportions of the World are the most elementary and simple, and such as Man can most easily understand. He must learn through the elementary mathematical truths to become emancipated from sense in order that he may reach, later, the point where the higher problems are appropriately to be considered."
https://rsarchive.org/Articles/GA035/En ... atOcc.html
"Now Plato looked upon mathematical science as a means of training for life in the World of Ideas emancipated from sense-perception. The mathematical images hover over the border-line between the material and the purely spiritual World. Let us think about the “circle”; we do not think of any special material circle which perhaps has been drawn on paper, but we think of any and every circle which may be represented or met with in Nature. So it is in the case of all mathematical pictures. They relate to the sense-perceptible, but they are not exhaustively contained in it. They hover over innumerable, manifold sense-perceptible forms. When I think mathematically, I do indeed think about something my senses can perceive; but at the same time I do not think in terms of sense-perception. It is not the material circle which teaches me the laws of the circle; it is the ideal circle existing only in my mind and of which the concrete form is a mere representation. I could learn the identical truths from any other sensible image. The essential property of mathematical perception is this: that a single sense-perceptible form leads me beyond itself; it can only be for me a representation of a comprehensive spiritual fact. Here again, however, there is the possibility that in this sphere I may bring through to sense-perception what is spiritual. From the mathematical figure I can learn to know super-sensible facts by way of the sense-world. This was the all-important point for Plato. We must visualise the idea in a purely spiritual manner if we would really know it in its true aspect. We can train ourselves to this if we only avail ourselves of the first steps in mathematical knowledge for this purpose, and understand clearly what it is that we really gain from a mathematical figure. “Learn to emancipate thyself from the senses by mathematics, then mayest thou hope to rise to the comprehension of ideas independently of the senses”: this was what Plato strove to impress upon his disciples.
The Gnostics desired something similar. They said, “Gnosis is Mathesis.” They did not mean by this that the essence of the world can be based on mathematical ideas, but only that the first stages in the spiritual education of Man are constituted by what is super-sensible in mathematical thought. When a man reaches the stage of being able to think of other properties of the world independently of sense-perception in the same way as he is able to think mathematically of geometrical forms and arithmetical relations of numbers, then he is fairly on the path to spiritual knowledge. They did not strive for Mathesis as such, but rather for super-sensible knowledge after the pattern of Mathesis. They regarded Mathesis as a model or a prototype, because the geometrical proportions of the World are the most elementary and simple, and such as Man can most easily understand. He must learn through the elementary mathematical truths to become emancipated from sense in order that he may reach, later, the point where the higher problems are appropriately to be considered."
"They only can acquire the sacred power of self-intuition, who within themselves can interpret and understand the symbol... those only, who feel in their own spirits the same instinct, which impels the chrysalis of the horned fly to leave room in the involucrum for antennae yet to come."