The realm of the Demiurge

[Stranger]

An alternative view on our world on the grand scale that I thought might be interesting for the members. This worldview is very consistent with many spiritual traditions like ancient Egyptian, Gnosticism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Cathars etc.
Why I Am No Longer a Light Worker
No Longer a Lightworker Part 2

Whoever knows the Self becomes all this universe. Even the gods cannot prevent his becoming this, for he has become their Self. Now, if a man worships another deity, thinking: “He is one and I am another”, he does not know. He is like an animal to the gods. As many animals serve a man, so does each man serve the gods. Even if one animal is taken away, it causes anguish to the owner; how much more so when many are taken away. Therefore it is not pleasing to the gods that men should know this.

Brihadaranyaka Upanishad

[AshvinP]

An alternative view on our world on the grand scale that I thought might be interesting for the members. This worldview is very consistent with many spiritual traditions like ancient Egyptian, Gnosticism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Cathars etc.

Hello Eugene,

It seems to me that the trap here is what Jung called 'ego inflation', which we can concretely sense in the narrator of the videos. It is the state in which the intellect feels its own mind-container perspective to have perfect information on the Wisdom of Earthly happenings and to have perfect moral fiber to evaluate those happenings. Ironically, it feels its Earthly condition - the condition which it supposedly seeks to permanently escape - to be the yardstick against which all other higher states and encounters should be measured, and then builds up an entire worldview from there. Once we are trapped in this inflated ego, we can seek out any 'evidence' we want to support our own desired conclusions, while ignoring everything which suggests otherwise. Most of all, we can ignore the need to gradually grow out of our Earthly identifications and transform ourselves through inner work, instead settling for a 'quick fix' which gives us the illusion that our intellectual ego can leap beyond the entire archetypal structure of the Cosmos, whenever it so pleases. It's very similar to the bubble solipsistic perspective, which is also a symptom of this inflated ego condition. Such a condition did not really exist in the spiritual traditions of antiquity, since the individuated intellectual ego is a more recent development.

The Job drama is personally applicable to all. It speaks immediately to the almost universal question, “Why must this happen to me?” We all have an underlying resentment against fate and reality which is a residue of inflation. Such resentment takes many forms: “If only I had had a better childhood;” “If only I were married;” “If only I were not married;” “If only I had a better husband or wife,” etc., etc. All of these “if onlys” are the means by which one excuses himself from relating productively to reality as it is. They are symptoms of inflation which will not grant the existence of a greater reality than one’s personal desires. Job asked why his misery should happen to him. The answer that emerges from the Book of Job is so that he may see God.

Blake has captured the essential feature of the individuated ego in his picture of the repentant and rejuvenated Job. What is pictured is the sacrificial attitude. Having experienced the transpersonal center of the psyche, the ego recognizes its subordinate position and is prepared to serve the totality and its ends rather than make personal demands. Job has become an individuated ego... Individuation is a process, not a realized goal. Each new level of integration must submit to further transformation if development is to proceed.

Edinger, Edward F.. Ego and Archetype (C. G. Jung Foundation Books Series) (p. 112). Shambhala. Kindle Edition.

[Stranger]

Hello Eugene,

It seems to me that the trap here is what Jung called 'ego inflation', which we can concretely sense in the narrator of the videos. It is the state in which the intellect feels its own mind-container perspective to have perfect information on the Wisdom of Earthly happenings and to have perfect moral fiber to evaluate those happenings. Ironically, it feels its Earthly condition - the condition which it supposedly seeks to permanently escape - to be the yardstick against which all other higher states and encounters should be measured, and then builds up an entire worldview from there. Once we are trapped in this inflated ego, we can seek out any 'evidence' we want to support our own desired conclusions, while ignoring everything which suggests otherwise. Most of all, we can ignore the need to gradually grow out of our Earthly identifications and transform ourselves through inner work, instead settling for a 'quick fix' which gives us the illusion that our intellectual ego can leap beyond the entire archetypal structure of the Cosmos, whenever it so pleases. It's very similar to the bubble solipsistic perspective, which is also a symptom of this inflated ego condition. Such a condition did not really exist in the spiritual traditions of antiquity, since the individuated intellectual ego is a more recent development.

These video clips present an overview, but it's rather shallow. The two article which I put the links to go to more in-depth.

You are right about perceiving the situation from the perspective of the corrupted ego. Notwithstanding of this fact, the process of the spiritual growth is still severely impeded if we continue staying in this soul recycling system because of the memory wipes and because of the conditions extremely adverse to the spiritual growth both in the Earth and the astral domains of the soul recycling system. This is not to say that the spiritual growth is impossible in these domains, it is actually possible, but it is just slow and impeded (which we can see throughout the long and troubled history of humanity). A better choice for any soul is always to escape this domain and continue the spiritual evolution in other realms (outside of the control of the totalitarian hierarchies) that are more beneficial for the spiritual evolution.

This is also relevant to the Anthroposophy where we ae supposed to evolve through a guidance from and connection to the beings of higher hierarchies. How do we know if these beings are indeed the benevolent ones who they claim they are and not the members of the corrupted hierarchy? In the astral realm beings can take any appearance, project any kind of energy (love, peace etc) and call themselves by any names. Since the human souls are wiped-out of the pre-birth memories, they are usually very ignorant and naive about realities in the nonphysical domains and can be easily deceived and manipulated. So, it's just a warning for the practitioners of Anthroposophy.

[AshvinP]

Hello Eugene,

It seems to me that the trap here is what Jung called 'ego inflation', which we can concretely sense in the narrator of the videos. It is the state in which the intellect feels its own mind-container perspective to have perfect information on the Wisdom of Earthly happenings and to have perfect moral fiber to evaluate those happenings. Ironically, it feels its Earthly condition - the condition which it supposedly seeks to permanently escape - to be the yardstick against which all other higher states and encounters should be measured, and then builds up an entire worldview from there. Once we are trapped in this inflated ego, we can seek out any 'evidence' we want to support our own desired conclusions, while ignoring everything which suggests otherwise. Most of all, we can ignore the need to gradually grow out of our Earthly identifications and transform ourselves through inner work, instead settling for a 'quick fix' which gives us the illusion that our intellectual ego can leap beyond the entire archetypal structure of the Cosmos, whenever it so pleases. It's very similar to the bubble solipsistic perspective, which is also a symptom of this inflated ego condition. Such a condition did not really exist in the spiritual traditions of antiquity, since the individuated intellectual ego is a more recent development.

These video clips present an overview, but it's rather shallow. The two article which I put the links to go to more in-depth.

You are right about perceiving the situation from the perspective of the corrupted ego. Notwithstanding of this fact, the process of the spiritual growth is still severely impeded if we continue staying in this soul recycling system because of the memory wipes and because of the conditions extremely adverse to the spiritual growth both in the Earth and the astral domains of the soul recycling system. This is not to say that the spiritual growth is impossible in these domains, it is actually possible, but it is just slow and impeded (which we can see throughout the long and troubled history of humanity). A better choice for any soul is always to escape this domain and continue the spiritual evolution in other realms (outside of the control of the totalitarian hierarchies) that are more beneficial for the spiritual evolution.

This is also relevant to the Anthroposophy where we ae supposed to evolve through a guidance from and connection to the beings of higher hierarchies. How do we know if these beings are indeed the benevolent ones who they claim they are and not the members of the corrupted hierarchy? In the astral realm beings can take any appearance, project any kind of energy (love, peace etc) and call themselves by any names. Since the human souls are wiped-out of the pre-birth memories, they are usually very ignorant and naive about realities in the nonphysical domains and can be easily deceived and manipulated. So, it's just a warning for the practitioners of Anthroposophy.

Eugene,

You seem to have brushed right past this bold fact which you admitted, even though it's a fact which prevents us from reasoning logically through the dynamics of spiritual evolution. It is obvious to sound reasoning within the Earthly spectrum that we cannot, through the strength of our mere desires and knowledge, bypass the incarnational rhythm of the day-night, waking-sleeping cycle. A person who made such an assertion would be rightly looked upon as living in complete fantasy-land. Yet when it comes to the supra-sensory rhythm of birth-death-reincarnation, the ego feels that this can be bypassed as it pleases. Why is that? It can only be due to the inflated perspective that I referenced, and which was brushed past. This is what leads to the complete discontinuity between the outer physiognomy - the Earthly spectrum with its lawful rhythms - and the spiritual activity which impresses that physiognomy - the Cosmic incarnational rhythms. The former is simply our decohered thinking-perception of the latter - they are one and the same.

It's interesting that, according to spiritual scientific research across many millennia, from many different streams, the astral realm serves as a 'space' of purification of our lower desire-nature between birth and death. In Catholic tradition, this stage is called 'purgatory'. If we approach these things with good will and living thinking, then we will discern that we are confronted by our own demons during this purification stage. Unlike on the physical plane, where the inner life is felt to be enclosed within the boundaries of our skin, these aspects of our own lower nature confront us from without on the astral plane, as objective forces. So what's happening here is that people are confusing their own lower nature, which confronts them as objective forces from without, sometimes taking on grotesque animal-like forms (it is precisely our animalistic nature which needs to be purified), for other beings who they then conflate with the progressive hierarchies spoken of in the Wisdom traditions. This confusion is inevitable when the intellect demands to interpret all such experiences from its own physical perspective.

How ironic is that? The demons that live within them, within all of us, are projected out onto other beings and this is then used as a justification to avoid the purification stage. It is a complete fantasy that such a stage can be avoided simply because we desire to, but this projective mindset adopted during life will make it that much harder to actually purify our lower nature before reincarnating. In fact, this will ensure that our sojourn in the higher worlds will be short-lived and that we must repeat many more Earth lives than would otherwise be necessary. So their hyper-cynical worldview ends up ensuring the exact opposite result of what they desire (to bypass the incarnational rhythm). This inflated ego-perspective can deflate itself by simply realizing that its current desire to bypass is within the conditioned context of various attractor forces, i.e. it is not being desired in freedom, but as a result of compulsion by unconscious soul-forces. This is the only logical possibility. Yet it seems the sense of power gained by the inflated perspective is enough to brush aside all logical reasoning. And then the only option becomes a radical humility through devotion and reverence for the higher worlds, but this is exact thing the inflated ego is cynically projecting as "evil", "demiurge", and so forth. So it is really a quandary and I'm not at all sure how it can be resolved.

[Stranger]

Eugene,

You seem to have brushed right past this bold fact which you admitted, even though it's a fact which prevents us from reasoning logically through the dynamics of spiritual evolution. It is obvious to sound reasoning within the Earthly spectrum that we cannot, through the strength of our mere desires and knowledge, bypass the incarnational rhythm of the day-night, waking-sleeping cycle. A person who made such an assertion would be rightly looked upon as living in complete fantasy-land. Yet when it comes to the supra-sensory rhythm of birth-death-reincarnation, the ego feels that this can be bypassed as it pleases. Why is that? It can only be due to the inflated perspective that I referenced, and which was brushed past. This is what leads to the complete discontinuity between the outer physiognomy - the Earthly spectrum with its lawful rhythms - and the spiritual activity which impresses that physiognomy - the Cosmic incarnational rhythms. The former is simply our decohered thinking-perception of the latter - they are one and the same.

It's interesting that, according to spiritual scientific research across many millennia, from many different streams, the astral realm serves as a 'space' of purification of our lower desire-nature between birth and death. In Catholic tradition, this stage is called 'purgatory'. If we approach these things with good will and living thinking, then we will discern that we are confronted by our own demons during this purification stage. Unlike on the physical plane, where the inner life is felt to be enclosed within the boundaries of our skin, these aspects of our own lower nature confront us from without on the astral plane, as objective forces. So what's happening here is that people are confusing their own lower nature, which confronts them as objective forces from without, sometimes taking on grotesque animal-like forms (it is precisely our animalistic nature which needs to be purified), for other beings who they then conflate with the progressive hierarchies spoken of in the Wisdom traditions. This confusion is inevitable when the intellect demands to interpret all such experiences from its own physical perspective.

How ironic is that? The demons that live within them, within all of us, are projected out onto other beings and this is then used as a justification to avoid the purification stage. It is a complete fantasy that such a stage can be avoided simply because we desire to, but this projective mindset adopted during life will make it that much harder to actually purify our lower nature before reincarnating. In fact, this will ensure that our sojourn in the higher worlds will be short-lived and that we must repeat many more Earth lives than would otherwise be necessary. So their hyper-cynical worldview ends up ensuring the exact opposite result of what they desire (to bypass the incarnational rhythm). This inflated ego-perspective can deflate itself by simply realizing that its current desire to bypass is within the conditioned context of various attractor forces, i.e. it is not being desired in freedom, but as a result of compulsion by unconscious soul-forces. This is the only logical possibility. Yet it seems the sense of power gained by the inflated perspective is enough to brush aside all logical reasoning. And then the only option becomes a radical humility through devotion and reverence for the higher worlds, but this is exact thing the inflated ego is cynically projecting as "evil", "demiurge", and so forth. So it is really a quandary and I'm not at all sure how it can be resolved.

Outside of the Demiurge's domain the souls do go through reincarnation cycles, and also do go through purification periods in higher realms, there are no shortcuts there. However, they are different from the Demiurge's system in several ways:
- There is no memory wipe at rebirth, which facilitates the learning and growth significantly
- There are no worshipped hierarchies, the group organization in these domains is more like a free association of like-minded souls where less mature souls learn from more mature through a non-dominating and non-hierarchical interactions. This is very different from the hierarchical and dominating structures in the Demiurge's domain which significantly impede and suppress the spiritual growth.

Again, this is not to say that the spiritual growth is impossible in the Demiurge's domain. Nothing can stop the souls from evolving and we always evolve and learn from any life experiences no matter where we live. It's just that the Demiurge's domain is designed to impede the growth as much as possible, because it's not in their interests to let humans to outgrow and leave their system.

[AshvinP]

Eugene,

You seem to have brushed right past this bold fact which you admitted, even though it's a fact which prevents us from reasoning logically through the dynamics of spiritual evolution. It is obvious to sound reasoning within the Earthly spectrum that we cannot, through the strength of our mere desires and knowledge, bypass the incarnational rhythm of the day-night, waking-sleeping cycle. A person who made such an assertion would be rightly looked upon as living in complete fantasy-land. Yet when it comes to the supra-sensory rhythm of birth-death-reincarnation, the ego feels that this can be bypassed as it pleases. Why is that? It can only be due to the inflated perspective that I referenced, and which was brushed past. This is what leads to the complete discontinuity between the outer physiognomy - the Earthly spectrum with its lawful rhythms - and the spiritual activity which impresses that physiognomy - the Cosmic incarnational rhythms. The former is simply our decohered thinking-perception of the latter - they are one and the same.

It's interesting that, according to spiritual scientific research across many millennia, from many different streams, the astral realm serves as a 'space' of purification of our lower desire-nature between birth and death. In Catholic tradition, this stage is called 'purgatory'. If we approach these things with good will and living thinking, then we will discern that we are confronted by our own demons during this purification stage. Unlike on the physical plane, where the inner life is felt to be enclosed within the boundaries of our skin, these aspects of our own lower nature confront us from without on the astral plane, as objective forces. So what's happening here is that people are confusing their own lower nature, which confronts them as objective forces from without, sometimes taking on grotesque animal-like forms (it is precisely our animalistic nature which needs to be purified), for other beings who they then conflate with the progressive hierarchies spoken of in the Wisdom traditions. This confusion is inevitable when the intellect demands to interpret all such experiences from its own physical perspective.

How ironic is that? The demons that live within them, within all of us, are projected out onto other beings and this is then used as a justification to avoid the purification stage. It is a complete fantasy that such a stage can be avoided simply because we desire to, but this projective mindset adopted during life will make it that much harder to actually purify our lower nature before reincarnating. In fact, this will ensure that our sojourn in the higher worlds will be short-lived and that we must repeat many more Earth lives than would otherwise be necessary. So their hyper-cynical worldview ends up ensuring the exact opposite result of what they desire (to bypass the incarnational rhythm). This inflated ego-perspective can deflate itself by simply realizing that its current desire to bypass is within the conditioned context of various attractor forces, i.e. it is not being desired in freedom, but as a result of compulsion by unconscious soul-forces. This is the only logical possibility. Yet it seems the sense of power gained by the inflated perspective is enough to brush aside all logical reasoning. And then the only option becomes a radical humility through devotion and reverence for the higher worlds, but this is exact thing the inflated ego is cynically projecting as "evil", "demiurge", and so forth. So it is really a quandary and I'm not at all sure how it can be resolved.

Outside of the Demiurge's domain the souls do go through reincarnation cycles, and also do go through purification periods in higher realms, there are no shortcuts there. However, they are different from the Demiurge's system in several ways:
- There is no memory wipe at rebirth, which facilitates the learning and growth significantly
- There are no worshipped hierarchies, the group organization in these domains is more like a free association of like-minded souls where less mature souls learn from more mature through a non-dominating and non-hierarchical interactions. This is very different from the hierarchical and dominating structures in the Demiurge's domain which significantly impede and suppress the spiritual growth.

Again, this is not to say that the spiritual growth is impossible in the Demiurge's domain. Nothing can stop the souls from evolving and we always evolve and learn from any life experiences no matter where we live. It's just that the Demiurge's domain is designed to impede the growth as much as possible, because it's not in their interests to let humans to outgrow and leave their system.

I think anyone reading this very well understands why the 'alternative system' is desired and is being pursued, but what I'm asking is, what logical reasoned argument do you have for why such a thing is possible (which, of course, cannot simply be based on other peoples' claims of an alternate system which they have experienced)? Can we manifest any system of spiritual evolution we want, out of the strength of our current ego? In other words, why can we insert a discontinuity between the lawful thinking-perception (hysteresis) and wake-sleep cycles which are unquestional facts of experience, and the Cosmic incarnational rhythm, which allows us to modify the latter at will?

Here is an 'answer' from the website you linked:

So how does a person get out of this duality paradigm? The first step is to engage the Self-Clearing System protocols and revoke all agreements that you have made with any beings that don’t have your best interests in mind. Next, revoke all agreements to see reality in polarized terms. Every time you revoke agreements, be sure to reclaim your energy that had gone into them. Then affirm your commitment to transcend the control paradigms of the corrupt demiurge without being side-tracked by pointless polarity battles.

I also recommend a brief daily practice of revoking all agreements to experience hardship, limitation, bad relationships, health problems, financial problems, family dysfunctions, and anything else in your life that is energy-draining. The number and quantity of agreements that we have unconsciously taken on within this false reality matrix are truly astounding. When you pay attention to the subtle and blatant agreements that point to the invisible bars of your prison, you will indeed find that there is no shortage of agreements to be revoked.

This sounds great, doesn't it? If only we could avoid all hardships in life by "revoking agreements"! Except it is precisely the hardships which allow us to develop inner strength of will and thereby attain spiritual freedom. The revoking mindset won't actually avoid hardships, but will ensure the person enduring them won't gain any will-to-freedom from them either. Then they are stuck in vicious cycle of further enslavement to unconscious forces which they are willingly keeping in the blind spot.

[Stranger]

I think anyone reading this very well understands why the 'alternative system' is desired and is being pursued, but what I'm asking is, what logical reasoned argument do you have for why such a thing is possible (which, of course, cannot simply be based on other peoples' claims of an alternate system which they have experienced)? Can we manifest any system of spiritual evolution we want, out of the strength of our current ego?

Of course not, such self-created system would be as corrupted as our current ego. We can only learn and grow through interactions with the Divine and with more spiritually evolved beings that usually have certain societal structures. The difference is who these higher order beings are and how the structures are organized. As it turns out, there are domains (in one of which we currently live) that are controlled by beings that are not as evolved and that are devoid from the knowledge of higher spiritual levels. So, when we associate with beings to learn and get experiences, it is important to use discernment and not to associate with societies and beings that would impede out further growth.

[Stranger]

I was reading through a discussion in the second article and found an interesting post - see below. One point to highlight in that post is that there are really no hierarchies on higher levels ("All are equal, body or not."), all spiritual beings are equal free spirits regardless of their age and level of maturity, yet different beings may be at very different levels of spiritual maturity. In such structure the learning and growing, in addition to learning through experience, happens through free and non-hierarchical interactions with more mature beings, as opposed to submitting to hierarchical structures and worshipping the beings that are higher in the hierarchy that happen in the hierarchically-structured and totalitarian systems like the one we are living in. The worshipping and hierarchical structures that we find in human Abrahamic religions is exactly how the system of the Demiurge's hierarchy is structured. The Divine and the highly evolved spiritual beings do not expect other less mature beings to worship them or to submit to them, it's only the underdeveloped beings that want this kind of relations.

Are there any good ET’s at all? Is it like Star Trek where they cannot interfere with our lives?

Yes there are. I am one. I came to Earth of my own free will with a twin spirit and partner to help with a large scale effort to end the corrupt system that this article discusses. This is, to date, the only article I’ve ever seen that accurately describes what is actually going on. I was a “lightworker” in a sense although I never worked for any “Lords of Karma”. I worked freely and with a connection to what we eventually called “mission control”. We were two of many thousands of beings who chose to incarnate on Earth to help deconstruct and destroy the false imprisonment system. This is not simply a system that is experienced in the spiritual or the ideological sense but can be seen infecting every aspect of the human experience on Earth- from how you organize commerce to how you educate your children.

In the last 6 months, we have been slowly disengaging with the mission as our time working on this is done. We’ve been on “active duty” for about 15 years now. Our time for retirement has come. Our final assessment of the situation here was that there are simply too many people who’ve crossed over to “the dark side”. They would rather keep the system of victim/victimizer drama because it feeds their ego and that is their own free will choice. We’ve had the last of the coding removed from us and are officially now “off duty” and retired. When we leave this place, we won’t be reincarnating again as humans. We’ve chosen to marry, not to have children (as that would perpetuate the karma and link us to this system) and to live out the rest of our lives as peacefully and as personally productive as possible. We are both in our early 30’s now and have the rest of our lives ahead of us.

So yes, in answer to your question there are many good “ET’s”. A great many more than are bad or working at cross-purposes to individual freedom. The best way to judge for yourself if a corporeal or incorporeal being is good or not is how they treat you and how you feel when in their presence and what they create in the world and in your life. This extends to people in your life as well as non-physical beings. All are equal, body or not. Always remember that just because someone or something doesn’t have a body, doesn’t make it more powerful than you. That’s a falsehood perpetuated by hierarchical religious power structures. Use your own wits and always do a gut check.

[AshvinP]

I think anyone reading this very well understands why the 'alternative system' is desired and is being pursued, but what I'm asking is, what logical reasoned argument do you have for why such a thing is possible (which, of course, cannot simply be based on other peoples' claims of an alternate system which they have experienced)? Can we manifest any system of spiritual evolution we want, out of the strength of our current ego?

Of course not, such self-created system would be as corrupted as our current ego. We can only learn and grow through interactions with the Divine and with more spiritually evolved beings that usually have certain societal structures. The difference is who these higher order beings are and how the structures are organized. As it turns out, there are domains (in one of which we currently live) that are controlled by beings that are not as evolved and that are devoid from the knowledge of higher spiritual levels. So, when we associate with beings to learn and get experiences, it is important to use discernment and not to associate with societies and beings that would impede out further growth.

Yes, it is very important to use discernment, but unfortunately the websites, videos, and quotes you are sharing root their approach to the higher worlds entirely in personal desires and feelings - "The best way to judge for yourself if a corporeal or incorporeal being is good or not is how they treat you and how you feel when in their presence" - rather than dispassionate logical reasoning. I am not sure if you feel this approach is dispassionate and logical, or you realize it isn't and simply don't value logical reasoning anymore, when it comes to these matters of supreme importance. Either way, it's clear that the sources you shared fail to understand that the beings of the higher hierarchies, or whatever we want to call them, good, bad, and otherwise, live within us (our inner life is nested within their consciousness). We are not 'down here' while they are 'up there' keeping us imprisoned. We don't have any existence apart from the interference of all their activity, in which we are always intimately participating. Cleric has provided many illustrations on this forum which can help us grasp this fact, and it is vital to grasp it in a living way before casting judgments willy nilly, according to wherever our desiring intellect is being steered by unknown forces, about the higher worlds. If we want to carefully investigate the activity of the higher worlds, we need to first look at the forces at work in our own soul, instead of projecting the anthropormorphic "us vs. them" onto the archetypal realms and resentfully looking for someone to blame for all our hardships within Earthly life.

Is it a coincidence that the websites you shared have no structure or rigor, no detailed logical analysis, and the videos rely enitrely on off-putting images and music for dramatic effect, while the rsarchive contains extensive documents and lectures which are more like philosophical and scientific treatises? This is why the core principles of the Philosophy of Spiritual Activity are so important, which Steiner carried through into all of his spiritual scientific work. For ex:

Spiritual Science must depend upon development of forces of the human soul which lie hidden in the everyday consciousness and also in the consciousness with which ordinary science works. As I have indicated, through certain exercises, certain procedures carried out purely in the life of soul and having nothing whatever to do with anything of a bodily nature, the human soul is able to evoke powers otherwise slumbering within it and so to gain insight into the true spiritual life.
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Certain other conditions must also be fulfilled by one who wishes to be capable of genuine spiritual investigation. The first condition is that the soul must be immune as far as possible from inner passivity. A man who likes to give himself up dreamily to life, to make himself ‘passive’, as the saying goes, in order that in a dreamlike, mystical state the revelations of spiritual reality may flow into him — such a man is ill-adapted to penetrate into the spiritual world. For it must be emphasised that in the realm of true spiritual life the Lord does not give to his own in sleep! On the contrary, what makes a man fit to penetrate into the spiritual world is vigour and activity of mind, zeal in following trains of thoughts, in establishing connections between thoughts seemingly remote from each other, quickness in grasping chains of ideas, a certain love of inner, spiritual activity. This quality is indispensable for genuine spiritual investigation. Mediumistic tendencies and a talent for genuine spiritual knowledge are as different as night from day.

Another condition is that in his life of soul a genuine spiritual investigator must to the greatest possible extent be proof against suggestion, against allowing himself to be influenced by suggestion; he must confront the things of external life too with a discriminating, sceptical attitude of mind. A person who prefers to be told by others what he ought to do, who is glad not to have to arrange his life according to his own independent judgment and decisions, is not very suitable for spiritual investigation.

[Stranger]

Either way, it's clear that the sources you shared fail to understand that the beings of the higher hierarchies, or whatever we want to call them, good, bad, and otherwise, live within us (our inner life is nested within their consciousness). We are not 'down here' while they are 'up there' keeping us imprisoned. We don't have any existence apart from the interference of all their activity, in which we are always intimately participating. Cleric has provided many illustrations on this forum which can help us grasp this fact, and it is vital to grasp it in a living way before casting judgments willy nilly, according to wherever our desiring intellect is being steered by unknown forces, about the higher worlds. If we want to carefully investigate the activity of the higher worlds, we need to first look at the forces at work in our own soul, instead of projecting the anthropormorphic "us vs. them" onto the archetypal realms and resentfully looking for someone to blame for all our hardships within Earthly life.

Thank you for clarifying this key point of Anthroposophy which I entirely do not agree with. And I now better understand the real reason of the Anthroposophists aversion to nondualist worldview. So, to the point, the second paper that I linked says:

The Prime Universal Law is very simple: All beings are Sovereign and have free will to express their creative urges in any way they choose, but no being has the right to violate and harm others. ... The demiurgic being's many layers of deception are predicated on the BIG LIE that we are separate from Infinite Source. .... The real truth is that we have NEVER been separate from Infinite Source, as that is a metaphysical impossibility. ... From that space of knowing that we are Sovereign Individuations of Source, we can exercise our Sovereign Rights, including righteous use of defensive force."

In simple words, we are NOT nested within higher order beings and they are NOT nested in us. We all are DIRECT and SOVEREIGN individuations of the same Source. The Source is our most inner core, most inner Self, and there is no nested hierarchy of beings whatsoever between our soul structure and our core Self which is the Source. This is the core of all nonduality teachings. We do not need any intermediaries to connect to the Source, to realize our identity with the Source and to grow and evolve, even though we always benefit from help and advice from other more spiritually mature beings. The path to grow out from the shell of the ego is not to deny ourselves by submitting to a hierarchy or a deity (externally or internally), but to reclaim and practically realize our direct identity with the egoless Source, the Self of all.

Another key point is to understand why Anthroposophy is so insistent on the nested hierarchy. That is because the last thing the Demiurge wants is for us to be able to reclaim our sovereignty and our direct connection to the Source, or more precisely, realization of us being directly the Source itself in its multiple individuations. This is simply because such realization would free our minds from the submission to the Demiurge's hierarchy. That is why all human religions and spiritual sects installed by the Demiurge are based on the requirement to submit to a hierarchy or authority in one way or another. We see it in all Abrahamic religions, and also see it in a different way in Anthroposophy. While in Abrahamic religions the submission was through external relations to hierarchy of deities, in Anthroposophy the submission is through nested internal relations. This is an important innovation in Anthroposophy intended to attract spiritual seekers that are leaving the outdated structures of the Abrahamic organized religions, however, it is still intended to submit our souls to hierarchy even in more enslaving way. If a person believes that they have to submit to a hierarchy externally, they intuitively know that they can always reclaim their freedom from the hierarchy by severing the relations. However, once they convince themselves that they are by nature nested in the hierarchy, then there is simply no way for them to break free for as long as they hold to such belief.

At this point we remain agreeing to disagree.

PS: I'm curious if this idea of nested hierarchy was the original Steiner's idea, or is it a Cleric's invention? Can you give a quote from Steiner with any statements on the nested hierarchies?