Stranger wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 5:43 pm
PS: Cleric, don't get me wrong, we are in full agreement that, while living as humans in this life, we need “to investigate the light being even now", and in the meantime live with “our guts are down below and we use our higher intuition to guide them” and cope with adverse conditions of " sin living in me" (which is genetically programmed dualistic perception with its ego-complex). But as I said, once we break "through the clouds", we are heading now along the nondual curvature, and the content of the dualistic realm becomes less relevant.
Then the question is what happens next once we leave the body, and specifically, does it make any sense to return to the human form again?
St. Paul's testimony from Roman 7 ("What a wretched man I am! ") tells us that even for the saints like St. Paul who experienced the state of consciousness where "I have been crucified with Christ: and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me", he remained still enslaved to the " sin living in me" and " I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin". And you can see the same testimonies from saints and masters all across the Western and Eastern traditions where they confirm that, while being in human form, it is impossible to become free from the "sin" of the dualistic and egoic state no matter how much progress is accomplished towards the nondual state. They did not know anything about genetics and psychology, but now we know that such bondage to duality is genetically programmed in the subconscious circuits and structures of the human material brain and mind, and so there is no hope to free the human nature from the dualistic state unless the genetics is altered.
OK Eugene. As Ashvin pointed out, your objection rests upon the
assumption that the Earthly realm is something quite tangential to our self-contained soul. Thus, suddenly, everything that we spoke about the evolving World-state is thrown out of the window. And all of this is done because of a simple completely human feeling.
I tried to hint at this with the volatility of our sympathies and antipathies. If you make further investigations you would see that currently you feel certain tiredness and apathy for the Earthly state. I'm not speaking about the kingdom of the Demiurge. No one is suggesting that we have to be enthusiastic about it. But things go too far when we identify the essential nature of the Earthly state with the kingdom of these beings. This prevents us to see that even in this moment we live in a purely spiritual world. Even in matter there's something sublime that has to liberated, to be made pliable, creative material for the spirit. This is the problem - that together with the kingdom of evil, interest in the spiritual foundations of the physical world is also thrown away.
Imagine a person that feels fed up with the Earthly realm and is determined to never set foot here again. Then he crosses the threshold, his feelings become much more fluid and his whole disposition about the Earthly state changes. Imagine that it becomes plainly obvious to him how he has been preoccupied with the feeling of antipathy towards the Demiurge kingdom and in the meanwhile he had missed so many chances to find the living spirit behind everything in the physical world. Then he says "Strange thing. I left the Earth with the firm determination that I won't return but now I feel in a completely different way. Now I see that because I didn't find the spirit within the physical, something is missing in my present state. I feel alien to the spiritual Cosmos. I live in it, I'm one with it, yet somehow I behold it as if through obscure glass. In this whole Cosmic environment, the only place where I can feel this point of focus, where I really find my unity with the Cosmos is when I look down and remember the humble Earth and my thinking intercourse with color, sound and so on. Now I feel strange sympathy towards this Earth. What I hoped to find after death feels as distant as it was while I was on Earth. But now it is even worse. Because on Earth I believed that my environment prevents me from contacting my true being, while now I have no one to blame. I understand that I have simply been looking in the wrong direction. What I was looking for could only have been found in the Earthly state, through the marriage of Spirit and Matter. I sinned against the Divine because I wrongfully identified the Divine Cosmos with a handful of malicious forces. My spirit couldn't find its counterpart in the elemental world because it despised it and thought that it has already overgrown it. Now I'll go back and rectify this mistake."
I guess that you now think "What a bag of nonsense!" Well whether it is nonsense or not, can't be figured out by musing in the dark clouds. It can be verified whether this is true even on Earth but we need to keep going further, following that logical path the has started with the few posts but was then turned on its head.
If there's one thing that can be gathered from all this, may it be the following. We know how often our human desires meet the impossibilities of destiny. How much more this could be the case when we speak of the higher worlds where our Earthly desires don't even apply! It's simply not serious to base our plans for the afterlife based on Earthbound desires. These could turn out to be as volatile as anything else.
When we find the Spirit, when we realize how it fertilizes the elemental world, then we feel to be in the center. Then we can say "After death, if I have to return, it will be because I see in this the greatest meaning. If I have to stay, it will be because I can be more useful for the evolution of humanity from that standpoint. But it is not up to my Earthly ego to decide that." In all cases, when we find the marriage of Spirit and Matter, of the Cosmic and the Elemental, then we find our true center. We feel at home at that center no matter the form of our environment. As long as we are wherever the Divine calls us, we're always at the right place. This is our present mission in the Earthly life - to find the Philosopher's Stone -
"Coming to Him, a living stone, indeed rejected by men, but chosen and precious in the sight of God." Without finding this stone, we're like a donkey following a carrot on a stick. We always project our goal somewhere in the future but it keeps evading us. When we're on Earth we yearn for Heaven, when we're in Heaven we thirst for the Earth.