OK, at least we are not debating the falsity of the separate "I"-sense-idea anymore, which is good.Cleric K wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:07 am If we dream that we’ll simply go into the Heavens and on another floor we’ll be awaited by a more comfortable Earth and better flesh, we’ll be disappointed. I mean, we'll surely see the archetype of all this in our journey after death but we'll also understand that this archetype must descend and sublimate the elemental realm. It is true that the old will fade away but the seed of the new is already contained within the Earth. It only must be fertilized by the Spirit.
Now, regarding what you said, I also never said that we are only and necessarily going to progress to "higher floors" beyond elemental. If you remember, I mentioned that the soul can continue reincarnating in a variety of alien races and realms even after nondual realization, including back to Earth (for bodhisattva missions for example). There is nothing in the elemental realm in general that is incompatible with the Divine Spirit. So now, our divergence is only regarding whether or not the particular current human form in its genetic/karmic composition is fully malleable for harmonious co-existence with the state of realized Divine Self free of dualistic separate-"I" delusion (I do not deny that it is partially malleable). But I would suggest leaving this discussion for another thread, or simply leave it open at this point. We have no evidences to prove one way or the other, it may or may not be malleable, and at this point it remains a matter of belief. I believe we should leave this decision for the discretion of each soul. As I said, it is similar to a decision for a person to emigrate from a country or stay notwithstanding any adverse living conditions in this country. And in any case, this discussion would be off-topic for this thread. This thread is about how to even start for a human person to wake up from the deluded daydream of separate "I"-ness and what practical methods one can use to accomplish that wakeup (for example, the meditation method that I suggested).
It is definitely "possible to begin the transformation of our sheaths", this is what the meditation in the topic of the thread is about. The question is whether we can fully complete it and bring the human material form (as it currently genetically/karmically composed) in a full harmony with the Divine Spirit. I understand that it is possible to interpret the Second Coming in this spiritual sense. There still remains a question why Christ could not accomplish such transformation fully in his human Jesus form and had to die and be resurrected in order to be transformed into the incorruptible human form. And these words of St. Paul still remain inconsistent with your interpretation:PS: The Second Coming is the manifestation of Christ within each one of us. It is not a global event. For some the Second Coming has already begun, for others it will begin in centuries. The Divine that works through us is what makes it possible to begin the transformation of our sheaths - "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do".
But again, let's leave this discussion for now, for most of us this question is irrelevant since we either not even started, or maybe started but are currently at the very beginning stages. We will know better what happens at the advanced stages of such integration-transformation once we get there.Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable (1 Corinthians 15:50)