The Nature of the sensory world or do we really *know* the ultimate ground of reality?

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Re: The Nature of the sensory world or do we really *know* the ultimate ground of reality?

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Cleric, beyond the meaning I can attempt to approach with the help of your essay, I am struck by a paradoxical impression. There is the rarity and fineness of the help you offer - it feels almost absurd but it’s true, all that’s necessary to clarify our life task and get moving in a concrete way to fulfill it, can be found on the pages of this forum. It’s an open internet page, yet only a ridiculously small number will actually access it. Even more paradoxically, among those who are finding it, some risk not realizing what their eyes are browsing. They risk overlooking the message. I wish none of the readers of this forum will let great luck transform in sad irony for them in this way!

Although I am really not ready to realize how the convolutions are experienced, I am thankful for these insights, in an immediate way. I know they are creating a context for understanding, and I am sure they exert a positive effect even before they are fully grasped. I know this from experience. I remember when I read your comment below last year, I was disappointed about the bolded part. What next incarnation? I want to understand it now - I was thinking. Naturally the feeling depended on a very weak sense of personal continuity through various incarnations, and a strong focus on the current life. Today I am happy to see that I feel different about that possibility (although I still would prefer to experience as much as possible in this life :)) But thanks to exposure to many thoughts and conversations here, the context of my understanding has changed. I hope something similar will happen with this series on the sensory world, and I appreciate the chance we have to work, actively and passively, with your analogies and guiding ideas - Thank you, Cleric!



Cleric K wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:49 pm There's actual spiritual will behind everything, which is of thought nature and is responsible for the dynamics of the World Content. To perceive this spiritual activity we need to learn to replicate it through our own forces, we need to integrate that activity into our whole being. This is a very gradual process. It's also not that important at our stage that we develop it to the stage where we really begin to perceive the processes and beings. It's much more important to at least understand these things and at least set them as our ideal, as our direction. If we develop understanding now, then in the next incarnation this understanding will metamorphose into perceptions.

PS. I have a small question. I am wondering why you have started by the first and most removed fold. It seems counterintuitive - whatever it might signify in this context! - to not start along the direction of the human spiritual progression, which makes me think that possibly, in the explanation of why the most obscure convolution is approached first, there will be new insights about its nature in inner experience.
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Cleric K wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:34 pm So today we find ourselves in a four-fold situation. There are many ways in which this is discernible. It will take us too far to go in full details, yet we could think of the four kingdoms – mineral, plant, animal, man –, the four elements, the four stages of cognition – intellectual, Imaginative, Inspirative, Intuitive –, the forces of our soul life – willing, feeling, thinking, sensing –, the four sheaths – physical, life, soul, spiritual – and so on.

The metaphor helps us to conceive that each fold doesn’t simply add linearly to the latter, but each convolution wraps everything that has existed so far. In a way, everything is multiplied. Look at the second fold in the image. It’s interesting that the first fold is to be found both on the inside and the outside of the second. As said, this shouldn’t be read too literally into, since we’re not trying to make a model of reality but it helps us avoid imagining the convolutions as linearly stacked one over the other. Everything is within everything, everything interpenetrates everything. So in this sense the folding that we describe here is not some spatial happening, as if one half of the Cosmos spatially moves and folds onto the other but is a matter of change in inner relations.

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Here someone may say: “What do I care about the history of evolution? What counts is the here and now. The past may be curious to learn about but all that matters is in the present.” This is only half right. It is perfectly true that we can only grow into reality from what is real in the present moment. In that sense, the historical sciences as they are practiced today in a purely intellectual manner, are indeed only arrangements of flimsy mental images. With this view it is natural that we should feel our mental picture of the past to be unreal in comparison to our living experience here and now. But the past that we talk about has to be grasped in a very different way. Our whole folding metaphor already hints that this past is not actually gone by but is present also in the now. If we imagine these folding eons as historical events along the arrow of time, they will naturally feel as long gone by and, well, in the past. But things are not of exactly this sort and herein lies the greatest challenge for the modern mind – to comprehend the mystery of Time.

Thank you for another stimulating illustration on this critical topic, Cleric.

I find it helpful to remember that we recapitulate our evolutionary history in the womb, which has been mentioned before, before the new human form develops. Of course we don't normally remember this recapitulation, but it is something well known by exoteric science as well. This helps concretize the idea that the past is also present in the now, in our current lifetime. Esoteric science also reveals that every planetary incarnation recapitulates its previous development before a new condition emerges. I think exoteric science related to the primordial conditions of the Earth also aligns with this esoteric research, if we can read between the lines some.


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Cleric wrote:Through the folding metaphor we can also very clearly understand what higher cognition is about. As said, our Earthly stage of existence is the most convoluted. Our intellectual thoughts are Moiré patterns over Moiré patterns. When we think and perceive, we have the degrees of freedom to manipulate only this most recent fold. On the contrary, our life of will exists in the most ancient fold, which is simultaneously both the physical and spiritual foundation of our reality.

The stages of higher cognition can be likened to the unfolding of the folds. For example, we attain to the Imaginative stage when we, so to speak, unfold the Earthly convolution and find ourselves in a state similar to the Moon condition. Normally the interference of the Moon sheets are the basis for the Moiré patterns that form our Earthly consciousness. We’re barely conscious of this deeper soul life in the present age. But if we unfold the Earthly folding, then we glimpse at something of our higher being, which has its self-consciousness in the Moon sheets. At that level, spiritual activity weaves in the soul strata as consciously as we do that with our thoughts in the Earth condition. Similarly, unfolding the other foldings leads us to the stages of Inspirative and Intuitive consciousness.

To help also relate the above to first-person inner perspective and work, I would like to share the following excerpts. I think it is probably under-appreciated how literal this unfolding process can be, in the sense that all the strata, and all the components of the various strata, laid down by previous evolution provides something of critical value for our spirit to work through for its higher development. Every lower evolved emotion, for ex., can be transmuted to unlock a higher soul capacity. They all form complementary polarities.

Steiner wrote:Let us picture the difference between two persons: two teachers, let us say. One of them has achieved the clarity which makes for enlightened inner judgments. He sees what his pupil is doing wrong but is not perturbed by it, because his Intellectual Soul is mature. With his Consciousness Soul, also, he is calmly aware of the child's error, and if necessary he can prescribe an appropriate penalty, not impelled by any emotional reaction but in accordance with ethical and pedagogical judgment. It will be otherwise with a teacher whose Ego has not reached the stage that would enable him to remain calm and discerning. Not knowing what to do, he flares up in anger at the child's misdemeanour.

Is such anger always inappropriate to the event that calls it forth? No, not always. And this is something we must keep in mind. Before we are capable of judging an event in the light of the Intellectual Soul or the Consciousness Soul, the wisdom of evolution has provided for us to be overcome by emotion because of that event. Something in our Sentient Soul is activated by an event in the outer world. We are not yet capable of making the right response as an act of judgment, but we can react from the emotional centre of the Sentient Soul. Of all things that the Sentient Soul experiences, let us therefore consider anger.

It points to what will come about in the future. To begin with, anger expresses a judgment of some event in the outer world; then, having learnt unconsciously through anger to react to something wrong, we advance gradually to enlightened judgments in our higher souls. So in certain respects anger is an educator. It arises in us as an inner experience before we are mature enough to form an enlightened judgment of right and wrong. This is how we should look on the anger which can flare up in a young man, before he is capable of a considered judgment, at the sight of injustice or folly which violates his ideals; and then we can properly speak of a righteous anger. No-one does better at acquiring an inner capacity for sound judgment than a man who has started from a state of soul in which he could be moved to righteous anger by anything ignoble, immoral or crazy. That is how anger has the mission of raising the Ego to higher levels. On the other hand, since man is to become a free being, everything human can degenerate. Anger can degenerate into rage and serve to gratify the worst kind of egoism. This must be so, if man is to advance towards freedom. But we must not fail to realise that the very thing which can lapse into evil may, when it manifests in its true significance, have the mission of furthering the progress of man. It is because man can change good into evil, that good qualities, when they are developed in the right way, can become a possession of the Ego. So is anger to be understood as the harbinger of that which can raise man to calm self-possession.
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This experience of anger is wonderfully well brought out in the vernacular use of sich giften, to poison oneself, as a phrase meaning “to get angry”. This is an example of how popular imagination arrives at a truth which may often elude the learned.

Anger which eats into the soul is a poison; it damps down the Ego's self-awareness and so promotes selflessness. Thus we see how anger serves to teach both independence and selflessness; that is its dual mission as an educator of humanity, before the Ego is ripe to undertake its own education. If we were not enabled by anger to take an independent stand, in cases where the outer world offends our inner feeling, we would not be selfless, but dependent and Ego-less in the worst sense.

For the spiritual scientist, anger is also the harbinger of something quite different. Life shows us that a person who is unable to flare up with anger at injustice or folly will never develop true kindness and love. Equally, a person who educates himself through noble anger will have a heart abounding in love, and through love he will do good. Love and kindness are the obverse of noble anger. Anger that is overcome and purified will be transformed into the love that is its counterpart. A loving hand is seldom one that has never been clenched in response to injustice or folly. Anger and love are complementary.

A superficial Theosophy might say: Yes, a man must overcome his passions; he must cleanse and purify them. But overcoming something does not mean shirking or shunning it. It is a strange sort of sacrifice that is made by someone who proposes to cast off his passionate self by evading it. We cannot sacrifice something unless we have first possessed it. Anger can be overcome only by someone who has experienced it first within himself. Instead of trying to evade such emotions, we must transmute them in ourselves. By transmuting anger, we rise from the Sentient Soul, where noble anger can flame out, to the Intellectual Soul and the Consciousness Soul, where love and the power to give blessing are born.

Transmuted anger is love in action. That is what we learn from reality. Anger in moderation has the mission of leading human beings to love; we can call it the teacher of love. And not in vain do we call the undefined power that flows from the wisdom of the world and shows itself in the righting of wrongs the “wrath of God”, in contrast to God's love. But we know that these two things belong together; without the other, neither can exist. In life they require and determine each other.

Here is a more esoteric example, related to the more primordial folds, but one that is also very immanent and we can work on each day by devoting our spiritual thinking capacity to the World Content.

How are those spiritual, divine beings who surround us able to produce solid matter as it is on our planet — to produce liquids, and air substances? They send down their elemental spirits, those which live in the fire: they imprison them in air, in water and in earth. These are the emissaries, the elemental emissaries of the spiritual, creative, building beings. The elemental spirits first enter into fire. In fire they still feel comfortable — if we care to express it by images — and then they are condemned to a life of bewitchment. We can say looking around us: ‘These beings, whom we have to thank for all the things that surround us, had to come down out of the fire-element; they are bewitched in those things.’

Can we as men do anything to help those elemental spirits? This is the great question which was put by the Holy Rishis. Can we do anything to release, to redeem, all that is here, bewitched? Yes! We can help them. Because what we men do here in the physical world is nothing else than an outward expression of spiritual processes. All we do is also of importance for the spiritual world. Let us consider the following. A man stands in front of a crystal, or a lump of gold, or anything of that kind. He looks at it. What happens when a man simply gazes, simply stares with his physical eye upon some outer object? A continual interplay occurs between the man and the bewitched elemental spirits. The man and that which is bewitched in the substance have something to do with each other. Let us suppose that the man only stares at the object and takes in only what is impressed on his physical eye. Something is always passing from the elemental being into the man. Something from those bewitched elementals passes continually into the man, from morning till night. While you are thus regarding objects, hosts of these elemental beings, who were and are being continually bewitched through the world-processes of condensation, are continually entering from your surroundings into you. Let us take it that the man staring at the objects has no inclination whatever to think about those objects, no inclination to let the spirit of things live in his soul. He lives comfortably, merely passes through the world, but he does not work on it spiritually, with his ideas or feelings or in any such way. He remains simply a spectator of the material things he meets with in the world. Then these elemental spirits pass into him and remain there, having gained nothing from the world's process, but the fact of having passed from the outer world into man. Let us take another kind of man, one who works spiritually on the impressions he receives from the outer world, who with his understanding and ideas forms conceptions regarding the spiritual foundations of the world, one who does not simply stare at a metal, but ponders over its nature and feels the beauty which inspires and spiritualises his impressions. What does such a man do? Through his own spiritual process, he releases the elemental being which has streamed into him from the outer world; he raises it to what it was before, he frees the elemental from its state of enchantment. Thus, through our own spiritual life, we can, without changing them, either imprison within us those spirits which are bewitched in air, water and earth, or else through our own increasing spirituality, free them and lead them back to their own element. During the whole of his earthly life, man lets those elemental spirits stream into him from the outer world. In the same measure in which he only stares at things, in the same measure in which he simply lets the spirit dwell in him without transforming them, so, in like measure as he tries with his ideas, conceptions and feeling for beauty to work out spiritually what he sees in the outer world, does he release and redeem those spiritual elemental beings.
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Re: The Nature of the sensory world or do we really *know* the ultimate ground of reality?

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Federica wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:35 pm PS. I have a small question. I am wondering why you have started by the first and most removed fold. It seems counterintuitive - whatever it might signify in this context! - to not start along the direction of the human spiritual progression, which makes me think that possibly, in the explanation of why the most obscure convolution is approached first, there will be new insights about its nature in inner experience.
Thank you, Federica, for your encouraging words! As it has been said many times, the things we speak of here are really the a b c of our proper upright stance in reality. It's only that we're trying to use modern day images to make them more approachable.

Your small question is significant because these two polar approaches have to be understood very well.

It is interesting to observe how the intellectual soul evolves through the centuries, secretly paralleling the individuation of the "I". For example, the Greeks were still comfortable with polytheism. As the ancient clairvoyance was decohering into philosophical thoughts, it felt completely natural to simply fill the world with this multiplicity of thoughts. The development of monotheism is tightly correlated with the development of the "I". We can understand it thus: the 'shape' of the ego is what we think. In the Greek poly-thoughts the ego was still scattered. The ancient Hebrews had the mission to think of one God only. This concentration on only one God, becomes like a center of gravity for the developing ego. Thus by concentrating on this one God, the ego itself was concentrating and becoming singular instead of scattered.

All of this plays out also in the later development of philosophy and science. It won't be very believable to many modern people that today even the layman can easily think of Theory of Everything, only because monotheism has become part of humanity and thus has furthered the development of the "I". We can think of ToEs today only because we implicitly feel that our intellectual container can encompass the image of the World. Our intellectual self has secretly mimicked God and believes that it can fit the World into its thoughts.

Today people expect that any world conception should start with the first principles. For example, we define the basic container of reality - spacetime - then define what can exist in that container, what laws are in effect and from there follow how all the manifold phenomena of existence can be explained. It is especially tempting that these first principles should be something simple out of which complexity arises. That's why simple rule system like cellular automata (remember Conway's game of life) are so fascinating to our intellect.

I went for the most remote convolution first because in a sense this is what the modern thinker expects. If one starts with a long list of laws that simply pop out of nowhere, the thinker would be suspicious. He would say "This doesn't seem right. We've been through this before. Before Maxwell there were separate laws for electricity, magnetism and what not, without any connection between them. But Maxwell found elegant set of laws, of which the previous laws were just special cases." So man today implicitly expects to be given directly the initial conditions, the basic elements and laws and then be shown how the world emerges from there.

So I started with the most primordial convolution yet not with the intention to give the basic elements and laws but to hint that we need quite different form of consciousness in order to know the reality of the foundations. Having a concept for these primordial states is a starting point but we have to be clear that this concept can be experienced in this way only in our present fourfold convoluted state.

We're in a difficult situation because the primordial state in a certain sense is indeed simpler (although infinitely more consciously integrated) thus there's some justification in the search for this elegant core from which the whole world emerges. The problem however, is that whatever we conceive in our thoughts about this core will remain Moiré patterns of our fourfold convolution. We need completely different inner gestures for the unfolding which alone can give us immediate consciousness of the more fundamental states.

I didn't go in details about the other approach - from our present towards the more primordial - simply because that would require many more paragraphs of text. I always struggle to make my responses shorter and more focused. Even now, I just intended to write few words about this top down and bottom up approach and it once again turned out into a lecture :(

In any case, we'll have to learn to work with both approaches. We need the ideal to know the deepest convolution, even if initially we can start only with very unsatisfactory thoughts about it. Then we also need the practical knowledge how to start unfolding from our present state. For example, concentration of thinking within a fertile feeling context with intense idea at the center, already achieves synchronization of the folds that can lead us into Imagination. We need other types of concentration for the other stages.

So we have no choice but bounce between the two approaches. If we start only with thoughts about the foundations we can never produce from there reality. On the other hand, if we want to work only with what is immediately approachable, we will be without direction. It is not in the least useless to think about the sublime realms, even if we can do that only quite abstractly in the beginning. This thinking raises the high ideal into our soul and which then becomes attractor for everything which is at our immediate disposal.
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AshvinP wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:09 pm I find it helpful to remember that we recapitulate our evolutionary history in the womb, which has been mentioned before, before the new human form develops. Of course we don't normally remember this recapitulation, but it is something well known by exoteric science as well. This helps concretize the idea that the past is also present in the now, in our current lifetime. Esoteric science also reveals that every planetary incarnation recapitulates its previous development before a new condition emerges. I think exoteric science related to the primordial conditions of the Earth also aligns with this esoteric research, if we can read between the lines some.
Thank you for your additions, Asvhin! I don't know at what pace you're reading the archive but I feel that you've covered quite a lot already :)
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Cleric K wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:32 pm The development of monotheism is tightly correlated with the development of the "I". We can understand it thus: the 'shape' of the ego is what we think. In the Greek poly-thoughts the ego was still scattered. The ancient Hebrews had the mission to think of one God only. This concentration on only one God, becomes like a center of gravity for the developing ego.

This is non only interesting from a fourth-fold perspective, but it also helps see that, “the shape of the ego is what we think”, and what we think is the shape of the ego. And the causality is God’s intention. Until the poly-thoughts will be internalized.

Cleric K wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:32 pm We can think of ToEs today only because we implicitly feel that our intellectual container can encompass the image of the World. Our intellectual self has secretly mimicked God and believes that it can fit the World into its thoughts.
Today people expect that any world conception should start with the first principles. For example, we define the basic container of reality - spacetime - then define what can exist in that container, what laws are in effect and from there follow how all the manifold phenomena of existence can be explained.

This goes very nicely side-by-side with:

"The world science studies does not exist; it is a product of method extrapolated as metaphysic. The conventional scientific method strips phenomena of their all of qualities excepting those which lend themselves to measurement and quantitative modelling and then back-projects the results of the latter into time and causality as though they pre-existed and causally preceded the former. Ordinarily, the resulting imaginary is simply called “the physical world,” and thereby supposed to pre-exist the method that fabricated it by effacing every element of the phenomenal world that fails to ratify the model.
from Max Leyf’s the idea of freedom.

Cleric K wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:32 pm
So I started with the most primordial convolution yet not with the intention to give the basic elements and laws but to hint that we need quite different form of consciousness in order to know the reality of the foundations. Having a concept for these primordial states is a starting point but we have to be clear that this concept can be experienced in this way only in our present fourfold convoluted state.

In any case, we'll have to learn to work with both approaches. We need the ideal to know the deepest convolution, even if initially we can start only with very unsatisfactory thoughts about it. Then we also need the practical knowledge how to start unfolding from our present state.
Clear. Thank you Cleric!
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Cleric K wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:34 pm
Anthony66 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:46 pm The perspective offered here is very helpful but then I can't see how it translates into mundane phenomena like blocking a stream of light with an opaque filter.
To continue our investigation in the nature of the sensory world we have no choice but go into some of the concrete details of initiatic science. This however requires certain determination and effort. Normally whole books have to be studied in order to begin forming intuition of the supra-sensory realms which are the basis of everything sensory. Here I’ll try to present a simple and consequently quite limited analogy but hopefully it may be of help to point us towards these foundational intuitions.

The metaphor

I’ll make use once again of the Moiré patterns as a metaphor. As a refresher you may look at videos like this, this and this. So basically these patterns arise either as an aliasing effect, which is a problem mainly in photography where the resolution is insufficient to capture the fine details of the object, or when we have the interference of two meshes (like in the videos). Now let’s imagine something more complicated. We can imagine a sock made of fine material and we can wrap it like so:

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Now by moving the wrapped fabric against itself it becomes possible to form Moiré patterns. But we can do that once more. Now we have a second order pattern so to speak. To make it more complicated we can imagine that the first wrapping is able to move independently and simultaneously with the second.

This would be the basic metaphor. Now the big problem is – metaphor for what? Of course, we can very easily answer “for the folding of the Divine Consciousness” but this seems so abstract, it’s like speaking of multiverses, branes, strings and so on. It all remains only a floating picture in our intellect. And the thing is that even higher consciousness doesn’t present to us reality in such a convenient third-person perspective of the spiritual fabric of existence which folds onto itself. This is the fallacy of which we have spoken million times – about forgetting that our conscious perspective can never separate itself from the manifold of reality and observe it from the side. Thus we’re in the difficult situation that we’re trying to make sense of something within which all our thoughts, feelings, will, perceptions are intertwined. Yet we have no choice but try.

So the first thing is that all we’re describing is supposed to make sense of our first-person spiritual experience. Simply holding an abstract model of reality in our intellect will always seem dry and disconnected from our living experience. Our thoughts through which we would think such a model are themselves the Moiré patterns that we try to grasp in their deeper nature. So first we need to equip ourselves with the needed humility that the experience of what interferes is not readily available in our ordinary consciousness. If we expect to understand these things by thinking abstractly about them, we only make more and more complicated combinations of the patterns but this doesn’t in itself lead us closer to the conscious experience of the interfering sheets.

So today we find ourselves in a four-fold situation. There are many ways in which this is discernible. It will take us too far to go in full details, yet we could think of the four kingdoms – mineral, plant, animal, man –, the four elements, the four stages of cognition – intellectual, Imaginative, Inspirative, Intuitive –, the forces of our soul life – willing, feeling, thinking, sensing –, the four sheaths – physical, life, soul, spiritual – and so on.

The metaphor helps us to conceive that each fold doesn’t simply add linearly to the latter, but each convolution wraps everything that has existed so far. In a way, everything is multiplied. Look at the second fold in the image. It’s interesting that the first fold is to be found both on the inside and the outside of the second. As said, this shouldn’t be read too literally into, since we’re not trying to make a model of reality but it helps us avoid imagining the convolutions as linearly stacked one over the other. Everything is within everything, everything interpenetrates everything. So in this sense the folding that we describe here is not some spatial happening, as if one half of the Cosmos spatially moves and folds onto the other but is a matter of change in inner relations.

The inner experience of the folds

Our state today is the most complicated. There are four folds and we have to imagine that each of them can move independently. This can help us grasp something of the natural hierarchy that emerges in this way. If the first fold moves, this has an effect on all consequent folds. On the other hand, the second fold doesn’t influence the first so much, although it certainly feeds back on it. It has to be reminded over and over again that these are simple analogies, fairy tales if you will. They are supposed to stimulate certain intuition. If we continue to look at them too literally, we’ll immediately stumble upon unsolvable paradoxes.

The first fold of the fabric would correspond to a state of existence which from our present perspective can be likened only to very deep dreamless sleep. That’s how little of that primordial spiritual state we can grasp with our present patterns of consciousness. Yet we should try to at least asymptotically approach that state, which can indeed become consciously known through proper development and at its own level is anything but dark unconsciousness. In fact it is supremely richer and Cosmic compared to anything we can experience within Earthly consciousness.

Let’s try this. Let’s picture a state of reality which is folded in that still simple way. What would that be like? To approach that we have to gradually let go of almost everything which gives the support of our present existence. We should imagine our bodily sensations dissolve, there’s no Earth, no Sun, no planets, there’s no body of personal desires, there’s no life in the sense of processes of growth and reproduction. What is left is a boundless space of rich proto spiritual experience and the will of becoming. This experience is not simply our personal but is the Cosmic archetypal world inherent in all more convoluted and differentiated forms of existence. This spiritual space is not filled with atoms and photons. We can’t even speak of spatiality, we can’t say how dimensional that space is. Neither is it a subjective experience of the ‘true’ space out there. All of such things can be conceived only later when the intellect comes into being. To this the modern thinker would respond almost by reflex: “But just because this primordial state is incapable of conceiving atoms it doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. It might be that this primitive state is still too undeveloped in order to grasp the real contents of the Cosmos. It may simply not have the needed senses and cognition in order to grasp anything beyond itself. The atoms may have been there all along.” In a way this is a logical objection. The answer however lies in the nature of this primordial state. Even though we describe that state as reached by dissolving our present form of being, this doesn’t lead into a more indeterminate state but instead into a more encompassing one. In a way, the intellect conceives of outer space and atoms because it justifiably feels that there’s a lot going on beyond our skin. What is not understood however is that this more primordial state extends precisely into this ‘beyond our skin’ and that’s how we find the true nature of the outer world – that which the intellect tries to understand through assemblies of thoughts in the head with which it tries to fill the void that it fully lawfully feels.

Here we should mention that the foldings that we’re describing shouldn’t be taken as the actual description of how evolution looked like from the perspective of man. There are many things that have to be understood in details for that. Instead, we’re examining these states somewhat artificially, taking advantage of the fact that we’re today in position to know something of them. We do that by describing the moving in and out of these stages of foldness but let’s keep in mind that these in and out movements shouldn’t be taken as completely identical to what a proper description of the actual evolutionary movements would be. As a simple analogy, we can today picture our state of being along any age, we can go back and forth between young age and our present age but this movement is not identical to the movement through which we indeed reached our present stage. In reality, our human perspective has not yet been conscious through the initial foldings. Other beings are responsible for them. We only now awaken within an already quite complicated manifold and we can only understand our present stage if we comprehend how these folds manifest in our experience. We need to understand something of these folds, each of which is an eon of evolution and which since antiquity were known by the names Saturn condition, Sun condition, Moon condition, Earth condition – not to be confused with our present planetary bodies with the same names. It might be of interest to mention that such occult facts have been concealed by the initiates in many places such as the names of the days of week – Saturn-day, Sun-day, Moon-day.

Nested Time

Here someone may say: “What do I care about the history of evolution? What counts is the here and now. The past may be curious to learn about but all that matters is in the present.” This is only half right. It is perfectly true that we can only grow into reality from what is real in the present moment. In that sense, the historical sciences as they are practiced today in a purely intellectual manner, are indeed only arrangements of flimsy mental images. With this view it is natural that we should feel our mental picture of the past to be unreal in comparison to our living experience here and now. But the past that we talk about has to be grasped in a very different way. Our whole folding metaphor already hints that this past is not actually gone by but is present also in the now. If we imagine these folding eons as historical events along the arrow of time, they will naturally feel as long gone by and, well, in the past. But things are not of exactly this sort and herein lies the greatest challenge for the modern mind – to comprehend the mystery of Time. We can render the folding process in an alternative way:

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For clarity, on the left the eons are depicted linearly. At the top we have the beginning of Time – the emergence of our evolutionary scenario from the potential of Eternity. Then there’s expansion of the initial interference, followed by contraction, where everything manifested becomes spiritualized once again. We have spoken before that these periods were well known by the ancients and were called Pralaya (Sanskrit word).

To link this to the idea of folding, the same thing is depicted on the right but now, just like the sock, the second eon unfolds within the context of the first. Then new expansion begins but in a certain sense it is enwrapped in everything that has been developed in the first eon, except that the latter is not simply an inert relic of a past stage but continues to develop in its own right. Then we have to imagine a similar process until we reach our fourth eon.

In this way we see that the four eons cannot be thought of as simply following one another. In certain sense it is so but at the same time every next eon manifests as a convolution/folding of everything that has been developed so far. Yes, these things are mind bending for the modern intellect who has become only too comfortable with the clockwork vision of reality. As noted many times, this vision is not limited to materialism. Idealistic views are equally affected by it. Take for example Bernardo’s vision, which is practically identical to the materialistic view of a Big Bang, followed by coalescence of matter. The only difference in the idealistic case is that this progression is conceived from the inner side, so to speak. There’s the spiritual Big Bang of MAL which then coalesces into dissociated islands of consciousness. Yet both approaches implicitly operate under the conception of an arrow of time along which this progression unfolds. No matter whether we’re a materialist or an idealist, the event of the Big Bang – whether physical or spiritual – is only conceived as a mental picture of some past event long gone by. Is there any surprise then that we feel these questions about past and future to be inherently uncertain and only preventing us to find reality in the here and now?

If we understand the folding metaphor it should be clear that the past is still present in the now. We need to comprehend this folding not simply to satisfy some intellectual curiosity but because it is our true structure here and now. We can’t understand our situation today if we’re unable to differentiate in our experience what proceeds from Saturn man, what from Sun man, what from Moon man and what from Earth man.

This is also the greatest challenge for those who absolutize Oneness. It is true that simply speculating intellectually about such things only throws around abstract debris in our soul. That’s why people feel that they attain to deeper reality when they unite with their soul which is like a coherent container of otherwise fragmentary phenomena. This is indisputable. We indeed need this realization that in our intellectual life we’re continually dying, we are fragmenting and ossifying our life. But if we absolutize this unity of our inner life we lose all means to know the deeper reality of the soul. Then we simply take the fourfold manifold in its flattened experience and call it the foundation of reality. It has to be understood with perfect clarity that the true knowledge of the folds of our existence is not intellectual fragmentation. These folds are already there. When we recognize the reality of thinking, feeling and willing, we’re simply forming concepts about what is already a fact of our present stage of existence. If just because we want everything to be One, we say “Yeah but these forces are really one and the same”, then we simply smear them out and contemplate a completely flattened experience of reality, losing all means to know how our consciousness comes to be what it is. We simply assume the way our present consciousness feels (even if ‘enlightened’), to be a fundamental axiom of existence.

Higher cognition as consciousness of the folds

Through the folding metaphor we can also very clearly understand what higher cognition is about. As said, our Earthly stage of existence is the most convoluted. Our intellectual thoughts are Moiré patterns over Moiré patterns. When we think and perceive, we have the degrees of freedom to manipulate only this most recent fold. On the contrary, our life of will exists in the most ancient fold, which is simultaneously both the physical and spiritual foundation of our reality.

The stages of higher cognition can be likened to the unfolding of the folds. For example, we attain to the Imaginative stage when we, so to speak, unfold the Earthly convolution and find ourselves in a state similar to the Moon condition. Normally the interference of the Moon sheets are the basis for the Moiré patterns that form our Earthly consciousness. We’re barely conscious of this deeper soul life in the present age. But if we unfold the Earthly folding, then we glimpse at something of our higher being, which has its self-consciousness in the Moon sheets. At that level, spiritual activity weaves in the soul strata as consciously as we do that with our thoughts in the Earth condition. Similarly, unfolding the other foldings leads us to the stages of Inspirative and Intuitive consciousness.

Of course, this unfolding is not yet the true unfolding which will only happen in the long course of evolution. The four folds for our Earthly being are present at all times while we’re in deep meditation. Then how is higher cognition possible? It is possible through harmonizing the spiritual activity at the different folds. In modern man these folds are quite out of tune. They are like independent pendulums, producing the most bizarre Moiré patterns. We think one thing, our heart desires another, our will does third. Higher development consists in the fully conscious and strenuous alignment of these pendulums. Thus we need to bring the fourth fold (in which we’re most conscious) in full attunement to the third such that they move as one so to speak. They are still distinct but are temporarily synchronized. The fourth fold sacrifices itself and allows to be moved by the sheet of the third. This is also what allows for the intellectual self to have consciousness of the higher realms because it is not simply destroyed but it becomes resonantly attuned to the movements of the deeper folds. When we experience these higher movements and corresponding higher intuitions, they evoke images, analogies, metaphors in the intellectual fold. Of course, this process of attunement is not linear. We always have to work on the perfection of all folds simultaneously because they are interdependent. Nevertheless, there's a certain gradation. As it should be obvious from the metaphor the Intuitive stage of cognition requires the most perfect attunement – all folds have to be synchronized such that we can live consciously in the most primordial. The independent activity of all later folds is sacrificed and synchronized with the most ancient so that we can move consciously in it. In this way we understand in a completely experiential way how our more convoluted forms of existence come about. As soon as some of the folds begin to move relative to each other, this produces the Moiré patterns and we find ourselves again in a more convoluted consciousness, where we lose awareness of the interfering realities but remain only with the resulting patterns.

Parallel between higher development and stages after death

After death each one of us will go through these deconvolutions as the physical, etheric and astral bodies are released. This however is again not the full unfolding. Even after death we exist in the fourfold context. Our physical fold – the inner experience of sensory life – is still there but it is released from the bounds of our body and expands to become our Cosmic environment. In the body this sensory life feels contracted. We feel our heart here, we feel a color in our head, smell in our nose and so on. After death this sensory spectrum is released, expands and becomes our Cosmic environment. Then it feels as if the color phenomena of our incarnate life have been gathered and contracted from this direction of the Cosmos, taste from that direction and so on (of course, here direction no longer has spatial sense). But the point is that after death these folds still exist. In fact, the imperfect alignment of the folds is what grows into the new Earthly existence (remember the analogy with the Big Bang where the imperfections in the quantum foam produce the clumped structure of galaxies, instead of fully uniform distribution of matter and energy). The actual unfolding of the folds happens only in the course of eons of evolution and is known in esoteric terms as the three future stages – Jupiter condition, Venus condition, Vulcan condition. In a certain sense these conditions are the undoing of the corresponding primordial foldings – Jupiter undoes the Moon condition, Venus undoes the Sun condition and Vulcan undoes the Saturn condition. Of course, this unfolding is not simply the primordial stages but gone in reverse. It is a fully conscious evolutionary process which has to creatively work for this unfoldment and every step is experienced as something completely new.

It has to be repeated that as we move towards the more fundamental folds, all existence becomes more and more universal. Our perspectives are most personalized (multiplied) in the present most convoluted fourth fold but towards the end of the Vulcan condition there's practically one being of whole humanity known as Atman.

Everything is interconnected

We can see how interconnected everything is. We can’t simply take one thing and understand it in isolation. For example, if we want to understand in isolation how an animal comes about, this assumes that we already have the proper perspective, that we know what the container of reality is, and simply want to see how forms take shape within this container, in the way a sculptor gives form to his creations. Alas, we can never reach reality in this way. These foldings are the most critical thing to gain intuition of if we want to find our upright stance in reality. And we can find that intuition only if we comprehend in the most intimate way how our present existence is a manifestation of these folds. If we simply smear everything out and enjoy the oneness, we in fact remain in the most convoluted state and confuse it for the ground of reality.

We haven’t yet spoken about the more concrete details of how the mineral nature of our Earthly stage comes about but it was necessary to first address the above questions because without this foundation nothing else can ever be comprehended. It is inevitable that initially all these folds, eons and so on will sound only as the most abstract and fantastic notions. But gradually we can recognize their concrete manifestations in our living experience and we find completely new ways to orient ourselves within reality, which attains depth that could not have been even conceived before.
Cleric,

Just to let you know I have read this a number of times since you produced it. It certainly does require a reorientation in order to grasp. This is going to take some time but I do feel like I'm getting there.

I must admit that the Jupiter, Venus, Vulcan, Sun, Moon conditions terms sit uncomfortably with me. They sounds so....small. We exist in a very large universe! And how do these evolutionary timelines gel with Homo floresiensis, Neanderthals etc. and the orthodox understanding of the evolution of man?
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Anthony66 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:30 pm I must admit that the Jupiter, Venus, Vulcan, Sun, Moon conditions terms sit uncomfortably with me. They sounds so....small. We exist in a very large universe!
They are as small as our thoughts are. In our abstract mind God is small too - it's just a concept, a thought-marble.

All efforts here, including on the latest Meditation thread, are to point towards the way our inner flow of becoming has to be transformed if we are to gain consciousness not simply of the small concepts but of the vast reality within which our inner world is embedded.

Does the discomfort manifest because the described Macrocosmic convolutions don't seem correct or they are not grandiose enough? Or because we can't escape seeing them only as mere small concepts without any conceivable way of finding the realities? Or maybe because we believe that the 'non dual state' already gives us the experience of the true vastness and from that perspective, the realities of the convolutions are encompassed as small optional details?
Anthony66 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:30 pm And how do these evolutionary timelines gel with Homo floresiensis, Neanderthals etc. and the orthodox understanding of the evolution of man?
These are vast topics, that have to be addressed from many different angles. I'll refrain from writing more at this time. Just regarding the homo species, it would be appropriate not to imagine that evolution of man has gone through these forms but rather that the forms were separated from the evolving still more ethereal human form. These separated forms rigidified prematurely and died off. So the progressing human line has gone through the level of consciousness comparable to that of the homo species but in a more pliable form.
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Cleric K wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:16 pm
Anthony66 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:30 pm I must admit that the Jupiter, Venus, Vulcan, Sun, Moon conditions terms sit uncomfortably with me. They sounds so....small. We exist in a very large universe!
They are as small as our thoughts are. In our abstract mind God is small too - it's just a concept, a thought-marble.

All efforts here, including on the latest Meditation thread, are to point towards the way our inner flow of becoming has to be transformed if we are to gain consciousness not simply of the small concepts but of the vast reality within which our inner world is embedded.

Does the discomfort manifest because the described Macrocosmic convolutions don't seem correct or they are not grandiose enough? Or because we can't escape seeing them only as mere small concepts without any conceivable way of finding the realities? Or maybe because we believe that the 'non dual state' already gives us the experience of the true vastness and from that perspective, the realities of the convolutions are encompassed as small optional details?


It's interesting that - with regards to the planets and their fullness of meaning - Anthony's concerns match Eugene's:
Stranger wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:31 am Steiner's works are overloaded with occultism and with occultic statements too far from being scientifically verifiable. Take for example his astrological views or statements like "Buddha now lives on Mars" (see below) etc. To me that is not science
And I heard this same concern expressed by others as well: how Steiner's characterization of Mars, for example, and its "improbable inhabitants" is the one reason to dismiss "occultic" and "highly unreasonable" spiritual science.


There must be something about the meaning of the spiritual planets in particular that stands in fully orthogonal relation to the mainstream present-day sense of soundness and plausibility.
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Cleric K wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:16 pm
Anthony66 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:30 pm I must admit that the Jupiter, Venus, Vulcan, Sun, Moon conditions terms sit uncomfortably with me. They sounds so....small. We exist in a very large universe!
They are as small as our thoughts are. In our abstract mind God is small too - it's just a concept, a thought-marble.

All efforts here, including on the latest Meditation thread, are to point towards the way our inner flow of becoming has to be transformed if we are to gain consciousness not simply of the small concepts but of the vast reality within which our inner world is embedded.

Does the discomfort manifest because the described Macrocosmic convolutions don't seem correct or they are not grandiose enough? Or because we can't escape seeing them only as mere small concepts without any conceivable way of finding the realities? Or maybe because we believe that the 'non dual state' already gives us the experience of the true vastness and from that perspective, the realities of the convolutions are encompassed as small optional details?
Anthony66 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:30 pm And how do these evolutionary timelines gel with Homo floresiensis, Neanderthals etc. and the orthodox understanding of the evolution of man?
These are vast topics, that have to be addressed from many different angles. I'll refrain from writing more at this time. Just regarding the homo species, it would be appropriate not to imagine that evolution of man has gone through these forms but rather that the forms were separated from the evolving still more ethereal human form. These separated forms rigidified prematurely and died off. So the progressing human line has gone through the level of consciousness comparable to that of the homo species but in a more pliable form.
It's definitely the lack of grandiosity. I have the same reaction with mention of the "sun being" (whatever that is). It sounds so earthly and pagan in comparison to the glorious descriptions of deity developed by the orthodox Christian theologians.
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Anthony66 wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:24 pm
Cleric K wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:16 pm
Anthony66 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:30 pm I must admit that the Jupiter, Venus, Vulcan, Sun, Moon conditions terms sit uncomfortably with me. They sounds so....small. We exist in a very large universe!
They are as small as our thoughts are. In our abstract mind God is small too - it's just a concept, a thought-marble.

All efforts here, including on the latest Meditation thread, are to point towards the way our inner flow of becoming has to be transformed if we are to gain consciousness not simply of the small concepts but of the vast reality within which our inner world is embedded.

Does the discomfort manifest because the described Macrocosmic convolutions don't seem correct or they are not grandiose enough? Or because we can't escape seeing them only as mere small concepts without any conceivable way of finding the realities? Or maybe because we believe that the 'non dual state' already gives us the experience of the true vastness and from that perspective, the realities of the convolutions are encompassed as small optional details?
Anthony66 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:30 pm And how do these evolutionary timelines gel with Homo floresiensis, Neanderthals etc. and the orthodox understanding of the evolution of man?
These are vast topics, that have to be addressed from many different angles. I'll refrain from writing more at this time. Just regarding the homo species, it would be appropriate not to imagine that evolution of man has gone through these forms but rather that the forms were separated from the evolving still more ethereal human form. These separated forms rigidified prematurely and died off. So the progressing human line has gone through the level of consciousness comparable to that of the homo species but in a more pliable form.
It's definitely the lack of grandiosity. I have the same reaction with mention of the "sun being" (whatever that is). It sounds so earthly and pagan in comparison to the glorious descriptions of deity developed by the orthodox Christian theologians.

This sounds like: "If only Steiner and his advocates were a little better at designer branding, we could feel much more grand about wearing their custom symbols"....
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