Stranger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:53 am
AshvinP wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:07 am
What is the desire to realize Oneness in Essence at a certain evolutionary event in time? What can we learn about/from the perspective which has this desire? We can make endless abstract hypotheses for ourselves to justify these desires, or tell anyone and everyone who questions it that it's simply beyond their experience-comprehension, but the perspective which is
doing such things is still there and should be investigated. It is a rich perspective with a lot to offer us, but only if we acknowledge its existence. The path of higher development via modern initiation doesn't seek to possess knowledge of the 'Essence' of reality, only to participate in scientifically, aesthetically, and morally perfecting the capacities of knowledge and wisdom by which the Essence, whatever it is,
makes itself known within and through the World.
Right, so this is where the difference between these paths still resides.
Realization of Oneness in Essence at a certain evolutionary event in time is not a desire or an abstract hypotheses, it is a real event that already happened to thousands of people and will continue happening. And it is what Christ and Buddha called us to accomplish even in our current life, or at least at one of our future lives, and they would not do that if it would not be possible. And, if "The path of higher development via modern initiation doesn't seek to possess knowledge of the 'Essence' of reality, only to participate in scientifically, aesthetically, and morally perfecting the capacities of knowledge and wisdom by which the Essence, whatever it is,
makes itself known within and through the World", then it is a problem - it basically denies the messages of Christ and Buddha and denies the possibility and usefulness of such realization, or at least accepts it as something only achievable asymptotically at infinity. This realization is not mandatory, it is a free choice always available for every soul, and no one is forcing anybody to make this choice. However, denying usefulness or even a possibility of such realization would be a grossly distorted worldview. It is OK to opt out from this realization for yourself, but it is not OK to try to convince others that this realization is useless or even impossible.
As repeated often, no one is denying the possibility of realizing Oneness - we are questioning whether it is a one-off event which can be
possessed by our current state of consciousness, or whether that desire to possess it is exactly what
prevents us from progressively realizing the manifest Unity within our living domains of experience, not in the mystical abstract, but in concrete ways which constantly feedback into our practical stream of becoming in and through the World, and gradually bridge the discontinuities of consciousness.
We can point to endless verses and deeper esoteric meanings which also call into question such a myopic, constricted perspective on the realization of Oneness. The holistic evolution of World mythologies/scriptures over many ages itself points away from such a perspective. You would then respond, 'but the scriptures are so written that the simple fishermen can fully understand it'. That's exactly the
reductionism we are speaking of. That makes no sense even under your own theory that the current Earthly evolution is marked by a dualistic consciousness - it reduces the depth meaning of verses to that which can be grasped by the dualistic consciousness of 'fishermen'. The full potential latent in the verses of scripture has then been reduced to what is only evident from the outer surface of its forms. We are constantly told of the 'mystery' of the Christ revelation - the mysteries were called as such because the full extent of their meaning had not yet precipitated into normal consciousness of the time.
This depth of meaning doesn't only add measurements to the verses like we may get more meaning from a table if we know its depth, weight, color, etc. in addition to its height and length, but it actually
inverts the most tempting meanings of the verses in so far as they are isolated from the holistic context and interpreted by the intellect which is conditioned by the physical sensory spectrum and our personal desires, preferences, opinions, etc. The only way out of this entanglement from a circular loop of personalized preferences dictating our interpretations which further reinforce our preferences and so forth, is unbiased, disinterested, dispassionate logical reasoning. That is the spirit of the Logos which purifies the personal will in service of the Will of the Father. When we notice a blatant contradiction in our position, like the one pointed out above, we should humbly allow it to work in us and guide us further instead of rationalizing it away. Instead of invoking the name of Christ at every opportunity to support our personal preference for immediate feeling of Oneness, we can seek the
lawfulness through which the Oneness becomes known.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"