Stranger wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:57 am No, he was not seduced by these lies because he clearly stated that the "initiation" into the state of "real human kingdom" that is "not of this world" is exactly transcending the dualistic state into non-dual, as he himself wrote in the quote below. I said it many times that there is nothing wrong with Earth condition and it is not dualistic by itself, it is the current human karmic-genetic-cultural condition that is dualistic and that has to be transcended. And sure, that nondual transcendence needs "to be united with intellectual understanding of the relationship between the universe and the human being, or, as Christ referred to it, between "the father" and "the son"", and that is the needed unity of spiritual science and non-duality that is lacking in your current paradigm.
Martinus wrote:I saw how every limited thing ... revealed infinity and eternity. ... I became identical with what was "absolute" and "everlasting" and I saw all things from this "absoluteness" and "everlastingness". ... And it is this experiencing faculty that I have called "cosmic consciousness". ... I had experienced an "initiation"... Whereas my consciousness before this experience of mine was an expression of "local consciousness", it had now become an expression of "universal consciousness"
That is not his view, at all. So once again you are reiterating a one-sided 'transcendence' of exactly what Martinus and other occult researchers say we must work with and through. Let's be clear - you only call what we write "sectarian" because we use the word "must" in regards to precise pathways of cognitive development which will serve the Earth's continued evolution. Martinus does the same thing, but since you have not yet spotted how his approach also leads away from the conclusion of soul-atomic freedom in the post-death candy shop, you are not calling it "sectarian", yet.
Anyone who is genuinely inspired by the Christ impulse cannot be 'sectarian'. Occult science is exactly what leads us to discern the living spiritual relations on Earth which gradually dissolve sectarian boundaries, not only in abstract mystical theory, but in concrete scientific practice. We can participate in that redemptive process of establishing universal brotherhood on Earth through developing our own living thinking. Then we will no longer make comments such as these:
All I'm doing is just pointing to the messages of Christ and Buddha calling us to Oneness which you relentlessly reject. Do it your way but follow exactly what Christ and Buddha and masters of other traditions told us to do, which I gave plenty of quotes about, which is exactly to reach to the Oneness with the Divine and realize our Divine nature in this very lifetime. Or say I reject such possibility and will continue working for and under the dualistic hierarchy. Be honest.
Pointing to ancient religious traditions and trying to shame people into following them, as you understand them, is sectarian. We all project our own subconscious inner constellations out into the World. There is nothing inherently wrong with that as long as we gradually become more conscious of it, so we can redeem those inner tendencies. That is the Christ impulse which Martinus is speaking of. Right now, unfortunately, as shown by the spirit of all these threads you start and the associated posts, you have little inclination to become more conscious of these inner tendencies and instead seek to blame others, like Steiner, Anthroposophy, and the people writing on this forum.
I will just add one more thing before ending my part in this discussion with you. The initiation Martinus is speaking of in that quote is not what you know as 'non-duality'. I can discern that even from my initial review of his writings. Instead, it is more aligned with the following. It is an initiation which leads to unity which can be cognitively comprehended in its relations with the Earthly spectrum, which is lacking in 'nonduality' by your own admission and the fact that you continually fail to discern the living experience of Unity in the spiritual scientific paradigm.
Steiner wrote:But even this last remains of egoistic experience must cease if we wish to ascend to the highest stage of clairvoyance.
There we must completely lose the feeling that we exist as a separate being in any one part of the world. We must reach the point, not only of pouring ourselves into the other being and standing beside it, retaining our own separate experience, but we must actually feel the foreign being as our self. We must completely pass out of ourselves and lose the feeling that we are standing beside the other being. If we thus dive down into a foreign being, we succeed in looking upon our self as we were previously, as we are in ordinary life — as another being. For example, suppose a student at the higher stage of clairvoyance plunges down into some being of the kingdom of nature; he does not then look upon this being from within himself; he does not merely immerse himself in it as at the second stage of clairvoyance, but he knows himself to be one with this being, and he looks back upon himself from within it. Just as formerly he looked upon a foreign being as outside himself, so now at the higher stage of clairvoyance, he looks out from within the foreign being, and sees himself as a foreign being. That is the difference between the second and higher stages.
Only when this third stage is reached do we succeed in perceiving other beings in our spiritual environment besides those of the Second and. Third Hierarchies. The spiritual beings of whom we are then aware also belong to three categories. The first category we perceive chiefly when, in the manner described, we plunge down into the being of other men or of the higher animals, and by that means educate ourselves. The essential thing is not so much what we perceive in other human beings or in the higher animals, as that we should educate ourselves by that means and perceive behind the human beings and animals the spirits belonging to one of the categories of the First Hierarchy: — the Spirits of Will or, according to western esotericism — the Thrones.
