Stranger wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:58 am
AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:51 am
So can you state plainly whether you agree or disagree, or in any case are following the logic of, with Martinus' conclusions about the spiritual evolutionary situation of current humanity and the Earth as expressed in that passage?
I do agree with it. But taking the Martin's scientific and non-sectarian approach, I agree with it only as a contingent and limited and not as the final truth. There may be much more aspects and facts about the human condition and human evolution that Martinus and we still do not know.
OK, so I take it that you have now discerned how what you wrote only a few months ago with great passion was in error and, what you were ascribing to the 'lies of the dualistic heirarchy', is actually the progressive spiritual evolution of humanity on Earth, which can transform-redeem the latter IF we remain connected to it and working through it?
Stranger wrote:One of his [Demiurge's] arguments is that there is a spiritual progress and evolution in the dualistic domain, and that in this domain coexisting in both dualistic and nondual modes are possible and natural ("You can continue playing in our Casion and still be a good man!"). I can only say that the entire dualistic domain, its structure and content, is a big lie, it’s a hoax, because the dualistic perception on which this domain is built is a fundamental lie, so it is not surprising that all Demiurge’s arguments are essentially lies.
So Martinus has not been seduced by these lies, right? For ex., when he writes the following:
Martinus wrote:Spiritual science, in the light of the entire cosmic evolution of the earth and mankind, tells about these "things to come", about "the real human kingdom" which, with time, will be developed on this planet. Spiritual science is not something that will remove Christianity and create a new religion. On the contrary, it will "take of mine and preach to you", as Christ also said. People can begin to understand today everything that people at that time "could not have born" because they would not have understood it. In the approximately 2000 years which have passed since Christ lived, an enormous intellectual evolution has taken place here on the earth...
The world-situation of our time is what is referred to as "the last days". Not because the earth will perish or be destroyed, but because an old culture is breathing its last. The kingdom which Christ referred as "his", but about which he said that it "was not of this world", is about to be created as the real human kingdom on this planet. It lives in the minds of many people as the humane capacity, as the fact that they, in certain situations, would rather themselves suffer than be the cause of others' sufferings. But also this moral capacity must be intellectualised, and this will happen through spiritual science. The capacity for neighbourly love which has become strongly developed in the minds of many people through the experiences of suffering of many lives should not only be a strong feeling which can lead one astray in sentimentality and fanaticism. It must, in order to be manifested in the way Christ could manifest it, be united with an intellectual understanding of the relationship between the universe and the human being, or, as Christ referred to it, between "the father" and "the son".
There most certainly is more to this evolution that he and we don't know yet, but what has already been discerned can serve as a solid foundation of certain knowledge from which we begin experiencing and doing our redemptive work via living thinking. We can't one-sidedly seek unity with the 'awareness' of the Cosmos and cognitively ignore the living phenomenal pathways through which the Christ impulse manifests on Earth. In other words, we shouldn't keep all the precise living details of Earthly evolution in flux and practically discard this spiritual knowledge, effectively becoming (or remaining) like these people:
Cleric wrote:Let's put that in an analogy. Imagine once again the example in the video with going through the rooms at right angles. Imagine that a group of people go together but they have very short attention span. As they go from room to room most of them simply lose track of how many rooms they have traversed. Soon they begin to argue. They may even go to such extents that they arrive at the weird idea that there's no single truth about the geometry of the rooms but everyone is right! If some of them is sane, and tries to walk them through, room by room and tries to show them "Here, now we go through the first, now through the second" and so on, the attention span of the others will still lose track and they will still fail to grasp the full picture.
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As an extreme case we can imagine someone (clearly a pathological case) whose thinking and attention span are so damaged that by the time he turns around he loses track of his previous view. Thus for that person the visual field is like a stream of disconnected pictures with no logic.
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Imagine what the people with short attention span look like when they transform through space without any comprehension of the spatial lawfulness. They'll be like lost. They'll move as if through a maze, practically taking random turns. This is really the picture of our contemporary humanity. Even though we've learned to grasp the lawfulness of the sensory spectrum, we're moving as if through a maze in regards to the states of our inner life. People today lack even the most basic knowledge of the lawful dynamics of the interplay between thoughts, feelings and actions. It's hardly understood how what we think, feel and will, feeds back on us over larger periods of time. Because of our spiritual short-sightedness, we simply don't recognize the transformed reflections of our own spiritual activity which has reverberated through the lawfulness of spiritual reality and is fed back to us in unrecognizable form. Thus people are assailed by illness, misfortune, war, and they blame everyone else about it, without understanding how through their own unorderly inner life they have contributed to this outcome.