Güney27 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:07 am
What was just discussed in the other thread is very interesting for everyone who is involved in spiritual science.
People try to understand Ss topics by thinking through them in order to get a new picture of reality bit by bit.
Most of humanity sees itself as a being living inside a body, living in an objective world that is outside of oneself.
What is the world around us from a Ss perspective?
And what is our body in relation to it?
Symbolically, one could say that the external world is a reflection of the spiritual and our body, which symbolizes our individuality.
I struggle to properly understand the world and the human body (generally the material world) from a Ss perspective.
I think it is important, before talking about ancient Saturn, to have a reasonable intuition about the perceptual world in which we consciously think, and in which we want to understand our role.
Guney,
I will offer a more abstract consideration of your questions. Nevertheless, it should be kept in mind we still aren't speaking of metaphysical 'essences' of the sensory world or body, but rather the
constraints and possibilities for our metamorphosing state of being that Cleric mentioned. All of this is based on ideas already highlighted by Cleric before in various contexts.
You may remember the metaphors to convolutions, folds, etc., which are all a way of pointing to what SS calls the ancient stages of development - Saturn, Sun, Moon, Earth. It's interesting to note how we find ourselves in a fourfold situation today in so many different ways - the four dimensions of spacetime, the four kingdoms of Nature (mineral, plant, animal, man) the four elements (fire, air, water, earth), the four ethers, the four cardinal directions, the four forces of our soul life (willing, feeling, thinking, sensing), the four sheaths (physical, etheric, astral, mental), and so on. We could go on endlessly with these. Fundamentally these all reflect the four stages of consciousness - intellectual (4th, sensing-thinking), imaginative (3rd, thinking-feeling), inspired (2nd, feeling-willing), and intuitive (1st, pure willing).
It is only at the intellectual stage that we experience an 'outer' spatial world in clear contrast to our "I" as an observer, as we do now. With each added dimension, we can say the purely ideal ('Subjective') existence becomes increasingly convoluted in life processes, soul processes, and sensory-thought processes. Again, we are speaking of these processes as phenomenological constraints on our metamorphosing state of being. Each new 'dimension' is like adding a mirror or another arm of a pendulum, which eventually results in our complicated spatial world where perceptions seem thin and flattened, and space seems to extend out to infinite distances. That is a direct result of being immersed in the 4th convolution (related to 3D perception). Prior to this, the 'dimensions' should be conceived as purely
temporal constraints. For ex., if I want to transform my state from age 7 to age 21, I must first pass through the experiences of age 14.
As has been previously discussed, each convolution into a new 'dimension' of constraining processes
embeds the previous constraints within it through the process of recapitulation. With each new layer of reflected activity, the pure Subject decoheres into frictional relations, cross-conflicting intents, that we finally experience as the 'sensory world' and 'physical body' which restricts our palette of possible states in not only temporal but also spatial way. It is at the 4th intellectual stage that all the prior stages are
spatialized and thus we experience the sensory world as weaved out of these infinite fourfold relations. So each dimension
wraps everything that has existed so far. This is critical to keep in mind because it also elucidates the relationship between the 'subjective life' and the 'objective world' we experience today.
What we call 'subjective inner life' from the perspective of the 4th fold (intellectual) are all the
three prior folds (intuitive, inspired, imaginative) that are embedded within the 4th. In other words, it is these prior folds, that are higher-order Subjective perspectives, that make our objective sensory consciousness in the 4th fold possible. Since we are completely merged with the prior folds, we lose consciousness of them and simply
make use of them to will, feel, think, and sense, which gives rise to the 'objective world' and all its fourfold relations. So the constraints of the Cosmic intuitive, inspired, and imaginative processes are what we experience as the objective 'sensory world' and 'physical body'.
From within the 4th sensing-thinking fold, our spirit finally gains the capacity to start creatively and morally working on loosening the higher-order constraints, which is also the process of re-spiritualizing (resurrecting) the whole sensory world and physical bodies. Something of the highest intuitive will forces has embedded itself in our thinking activity and from here we can leverage those forces to gradually elucidate the inner nature of the prior folds. This is all simply an abstract scaffolding that our intellect can use to gain a dim intuition of the process by which we got to our current physical-spatial experience. If we want to penetrate this framework with living thoughts, we also need to seek the experiential nature of the constraints that Cleric highlighted.