Cleric K wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 8:52 pmThese are all important questions, alas it is not easy to answer in a satisfactory way. I'm still searching for ways to convey these ideas, which in itself means that they are not clear enough in my mind. Basically the root problem is that our intellectual thinking by its very nature corresponds to a certain 'granularity' of the "I", generally matching the granularity of human bodies. It is very difficult to escape this. I tried to give some indications about this here. Please take a look there and see if it throws light on some of the questions, then we can continue with what remains.Federica wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:31 pm Cleric,
Will the layers of spiritual hierarchies eternally remain the same or could there be new layers, or could some layers merge?
When the future man will be fully conscious, and when current human conscious individualities will be its organs, will that be transparent for the I-organs? Will the current fully initiated higher selves still be individually conscious, as organs of the future man, at the same time as the future man will be conscious as a larger unit, or will the one who today can realize itself as fully conscious higher self become unconscious, or phased out? Will it, as individuated willed spiritual activity, die into the future man?
In other words, will the waves of expanding consciousness expand and enrich the hierarchies, or is the whole structure ever present, already present, and present-day higher selves will simply dissolve in the same hierarchical layer, transform in collective units, and acquire new expanded consciosuness only as spare parts of that future man? And if so, if the willed individuated activity of present-day higher selves is destined to merge, does such confluence mean the dissolution, or death, of the higher self willed activity? Or is it just that my idea of will, willed spiritual activity, also has to transform and just can’t encompass the future nature of will and freedom?
As for the static levels - beings evolve in waves, so it's more like overlapping pipelines, similarly to the way we're surrounded with human beings that are at different age. Those older than us will be also older than us an year from now. For example, in our next stage the Angels will once again be above us but they will have evolved further. Whether the stages themselves are fixed, I don't know but logically I think that they are presently specific to our fourfold blueprint of evolution. Maybe there are different possible folding blueprints, which will result in different kinds of hierarchies.
Thank you, Cleric!
I remember I read the linked post when you posted it, but I didn't properly record it at that time. For example, I only now notice the reference to a reincarnation of the solar system as a whole. If the reincarnation of the solar system, as pivotal and ‘scheduled’ future event, is due to happen in bulk - although there's an Earth being with its own becoming in tight relation to that of humanity, for which it’s the riverbed, and there are Mars and Venus beings with different trajectories - then the question becomes whether there will be a neat, catastrophic separation between eons.
Because from the perspective of the reincarnation of the solar system, the planets appear like its organs, more than like individuated beings. I realize they are both, so maybe it simply means that a ‘normal’ reincarnation for one being, always unfolds as an eon-like, catastrophic change for its nested organs. If this is correct, it seems necessary that the future man will arise from an apocalypse, in the same way as our current physical organs will be terminated all at once at physical death. Otherwise I can’t conceive how 'centers of spiritual activity' could be born again as organs, in a progressive transformation by ‘age cohorts’. By the way, this whole thought intersects with observations of population trends on Earth… but I should refrain from complicating the question…
So I wonder, if the destinies of humanity will be fully reset and then recapitulated in the Jupiter eon, why still call the new being ‘man’? The new being will have a different level of granularity as you say, that doesn’t match today’s man's; and a different self-expression and organization, without physical body. What will it have in common with present-eon man, apart from the origin of its imaginative cells? Shouldn’t we already now refer to it with a new name? After all, we don’t call our brain, heart, lungs, or larynx ‘man’ today…
I gather that, in general, there seems to be a necessity for destructive large-scale events, in order to transform a complex evolutionary system that moves in ‘families of diverse waves’. In particular, for the human being to move past its current physicality an apocalyptic event seems necessary. Maybe, as I wondered above, the truth is simply that the same 'death and birth cycle' is experienced either as catastrophic mass event, or as fluid individual sewing in and out of a threshold, depending on where in the depth structure the standpoint is set. Still I can’t figure out what an ‘imaginative apocalypse’ may look like, for the epochal transformation of those strata where the mineral element, i.e. all physicality, has been already left behind…
Now getting back to the present-day human, set to become organ of the future human in the new eon, the question remains: how to intend spiritual activity, consciousness, and freedom for the current soul-unit in the new imaginative Jupiter existence: does it simply dissolve? I guess it does dissolve, in the sense that one is wired to conceive in standard cognition today. But there should be a new sense to experience, the sense of what it is like to acquire that organic nature. For now, it feels to me at the same time like an ascent and a descent. The question remains, because the soul-unit today can experience its organ-identity 'in preview' in imaginative cognition, once the illusion of private soul life is bursted. So one can wonder, what is the difference between purposefully maintaining a center of willed activity within a spiritual thinking substance that is both lawful and unbound, as it can be done today, and being a full-time 'resident organ' of future man?
I imagine, freedom means what it means to us today because of our physical extension. It is to be realized as it is, in the context of the physical Earth. As outrageous as it might sound, it probably shouldn’t be... idolized? If so, what will it be like to will an imaginative organic function of future man? How will the ideal form to be ful-filled by the organ, act as riverbed of organic activity? Maybe, at the imaginative organ-level, freedom will mean nothing other than perfectly dwelling in God’s will…