There is nothing too interesting in the discussion itself, except I wanted to call attention to an amazing book that I came across by Otto Palmer, Rudolf Steiner on His Book "The Philosophy of Freedom". I will paste some of the discussion below since it also contains great quotes from the book. Of course, FB simply ignored the quotes and I guess he feels that, somehow, he knows Steiner's intentions for PoF in the year 2024 better than Steiner himself knew them back in the years and decades following its publication.
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FB:
I'll share one of my questions.
I don't have my Palmer book and most of my written files, books and documents are still in a 'sacred' storage unit in Ashland, Oregon. So frustrating.
So maybe somebody else can provide a few of those quotes in which Steiner talks about having written PoF in a way that each sentence logically links to the next, and that the book never asks us to assume anything, that it was written with mathematical percision. You know the quotes I'm talking about.
Early in PoF, Steiner is very clear that although he is forced to use the term self/I in writing, he is not yet wanting the reader to assume any actual, proven, valid reality of their being a self/I. I appreciate this for several reasons.
And my question for PoF readers is where in the text they see Steiner moving from not assuming the ontological existence of an I to, later, having pointed to the spot of validating it.
For context, there are so many different ways to study PoF, and there are so many different contexts which can be used for frames of reference. In this post, I am hoping to restrict our context to the text itself.
Me: Here is one of many such quotes from the Palmer book. I can certainly relate to what he stated. Far from leaving us in a state of indefinite uncertainty as to inner realities and the course of spiritual evolution toward realization of the higher self, the Cosmic "I", the process of engaging the etheric thinking embodied in PoF gives lasting certainty as to the true nature of the Self.
I wanted just to sketch these things today, for they have often been discussed by me here before. What I had in mind was to indicate the regions in which, in recent years, anthroposophy has been carrying on its research. Those interested in weighing what has been going on surely recall how consistently my lectures have concerned themselves in recent years with just these realms. Their purpose was gradually to clarify the process whereby one develops from an ordinary consciousness to a higher one. Though I have always said that ordinary thinking can, if it is unprejudiced, grasp the findings of anthroposophical research, I have also emphasized that everybody can attain today to a state of consciousness whereby he is able to develop a new kind of thinking and willing, which give him entry to the world whereof anthroposophy speaks. The essential thing would be to change the habit of reading books like my Philosophy of Freedom with the mental attitude one has toward other philosophical treatises. The way it should be read is with attention to the fact that it brings one to a wholly different way of thinking and willing and looking at things. If this were done, one would realize that such an approach lifts one's consciousness out of the earth into another world, and that one derives from it the kind of inner assurance that makes it possible to speak with conviction about the results of spiritual research. Those who read The Philosophy of Freedom as it should be read speak with inner conviction and assurance about the findings of researchers who have gone beyond the stage one has oneself reached as a beginner. But the right way of reading The Philosophy of Freedom makes everyone who adopts it the kind of beginner I am describing. Beginners like these can report the more detailed findings of advanced research in exactly the same way in which a person at home in chemistry would talk of research in that field. Although he may not actually have seen it done, it is familiar to him from what he has learned and heard and knows as part of reality. The vital thing in discussing anthroposophy is always to develop a certain soul attitude, not just to project a picture of the world different from the generally accepted one. The trouble is that The Philosophy of Freedom has not been read in the different way I have been describing. That is the point, and a point that must be sharply stressed if the development of the Anthroposophical Society is not to fall far behind that of anthroposophy itself. If it does fall behind, anthroposophy's promulgation through the Society will result in its being completely misunderstood, and its only fruit will be endless conflict!
(New Thinking, New Willing - Feb 6 1923)
FB:
Yes, I think that when Steiner wrote PoF, he was not hoping that careful readers would see that it encodes and explains the hierarchies of angels and the evolution of the cosmos. I think we have reason to believe that Steiner himself had not even begun his studies of those particulars.
From his young letters of hope and excitement upon its publication, to his honest declarations of sadness and disappoinment that it didn't persuade the men he thought would understand it, I think we can see that Steiner had more modest aims regarding what would be grasped by readers of PoF in 1894.
If Steiner had died in 1895, I believe we would be reading a book that is trying to situate human freedom within the context of a phenomenological experience of cognition, not unlike other books before it or after it. Its charm and force come from Steiner's enthusiasm and willingness to keep it as down to earth as possible.
Me: I see. Well, this becomes quite an academic debate for those who, through the portal of PoF, have indeed experienced the reality of the spiritual hierarchies and how their combined activity projects as the Earthly evolutionary process. The reality that the core of spiritual science is already encoded in PoF becomes a matter of intimate experience, no longer a matter of intellectual debate over how to decipher Steiner's intentions in 1895. As Steiner has remarked elsewhere, people only debate such things when the inner spiritual experience is lacking.
What it means to 'see' angels or etheric bodies is not simply exotic and more subtle perceptions of objects and processes. It is more like what was meant above when I read your post, tried to resonate with the underlying thinking-gestures, understanding the soul perspective from which the textual forms were impressed, and then said, "I see." In other words, this 'seeing' is a continual process of outgrowing the previous layers of reality we were merged with and thereby gaining an understanding of their deeper nature, like awakening from a dream and realizing the dreamscape was the manifestation of the waking self's inner life (ideas, emotions, sensations, etc.). In that sense, clairvoyance is not simply about more self-confidence and calm, but understanding the very process by which reality evolves and through which the disharmonious currents of soul and sensory life will be redeemed across all scales of existence.
...As you continue searching for the Palmer book, I will share another quote. There is little point in analyzing what Steiner intended or expected in PoF if we don't take his own statements about his intentions and his expectations literally.
FB:Now what kind of reader approach did The Philosophy of Freedom count on? It had to assume a special way of reading. It expected the reader, as he read, to undergo the sort of inner experience that, in an external sense, is really just like waking up out of sleep in the morning. The feeling one should have about it is such as to make one say, “My relationship to the world in passive thoughts was, on a higher level, that of a person who lies asleep. Now I am waking up.” It is like knowing, at the moment of awakening, that one has been lying passively in bed, letting nature have her way with one's body. But then one begins to be inwardly active. One relates one's senses actively to what is going on in the color permeated, sounding world about one. One links one's own bodily activity to one's intentions. The reader of The Philosophy of Freedom should experience something very like this waking moment of transition from passivity to activity, though of course on a higher level.
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When one suffuses one's thinking with active soul life, one realizes for the first time that thought is just a leftover and recognizes it as the remains of something that has died. Ordinary thinking is dead, a mere corpse of the soul, and one has to become aware of it as such through suffusing it with one's own soul life and getting to know this corpse of abstract thinking in its new aliveness. To understand ordinary thinking, one has to see that it is dead, a psychic corpse whose erstwhile life is to be sought in the soul's pre-earthly existence. During that phase of experience, the soul lived in a bodiless state in the life element of its thinking, and the thinking left it in its earthly life must be regarded as the soul corpse of the living soul of pre-earthly existence.
Palmer, Otto. Rudolf Steiner on His Book "The Philosophy of Freedom" (p. 42). SteinerBooks. Kindle Edition.
The more important point, I think, is that a person can be perfectly demonstrating free action and not be able to understand PoF. Steiner would be the first to point out atheists and materialists who are acting freely via intuitively grasping the ideas via free thinking. He spoke of freedom in terms of degrees, not absolutes; he said he'd take a creative materialist over a dogmatic Anthroposophist. This is because he, like most of us, can notice when a person's actions are deeply imbued by the force of their full being, whether they experience this as 'spiritual' or not.
So a person who can't understand PoF can be a great example of the freedom it speaks of. A person who grasps PoF need not believe in God.
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The only way we can validate the core point of PoF is to direct our attention to the region of experience in which our free action is directly observed. This can be done without realizing or observing any other notions related to spiritual beings or realities, as Steiner often pointed out.
Me: Thanks for clarifying. In my view, what you are expressing can only make sense if 'spiritual worlds', 'spiritual beings', 'subtle bodies', 'hierarchies', 'God', and so forth is only understood as externalized abstractions, reduced to physicalized caricatures. In other words, the fact that these 'worlds' form the meaningful context in which all our sensing, thinking, feeling, and will impulses unfold daily, is entirely missed. In that case, yes one can understand PoF without 'believing' such externalized abstractions.
One cannot fail to understand PoF and start ascending a gradient of free activity, which I agree is not a one-time event but unfolds in degrees. Even if the person doesn't read PoF in particular, they must consciously lay hold of their thinking activity in some way similar to what is expressed in PoF. It is only in our mental experience, in the intuitively transparent feedback of thoughts, where our *present* spiritual activity finds its lucid reflection (in the sensory domain, it is our past activity that finds its reflection). That is why spiritual freedom begins with the observation of thinking, where inner activity and its perceptual feedback are almost completely in-phase with one another.
Anyway, it would make more sense for you to convey that you feel Steiner was wrong when later characterizing his own intentions and expectations for PoF. That, somehow, those are more transparent to you in 2024 than they were to him in the years and decades following PoF. Because his numerous quotes on the matter speak for themselves. Here is yet another one:
I tried to make clear in my Philosophy of Freedom, that one remains dependent if one responds to natural impulses only, that one can become free only by reaching the point of responding to the promptings of intuitive thinking as it develops in one's soul. This indication of the quality of soul that one has to achieve through self-development before one can partake of genuine freedom led to my necessarily making the attempt to carry to a further point what had been hinted at in The Philosophy of Freedom. I have been trying to do this for the past several decades in the form of what I have called anthroposophically oriented spiritual science. For after calling attention to the fact that human beings have to derive the impulse to freedom, to intuitive thinking, out of the depths of their own souls, one must also show what happens when a person draws upon this inner source of his soul life. The anthroposophically oriented expositions of the years that followed are actually all just statements of matters to which I called attention at the time of writing my Philosophy of Freedom. I pointed out that there are paths the soul can follow to the development of a thinking that is not summed up in an intellectual piecing together of a picture of the world, but instead goes on to lift itself in inner vision to an experiencing of the spirit. I felt impelled to describe what it is one sees on looking into the spiritual world.
Palmer, Otto. Rudolf Steiner on His Book "The Philosophy of Freedom" (pp. 56-57). SteinerBooks. Kindle Edition.