Eugene I wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:47 pm
Cleric K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:10 pm
NDEs, psychedelic experiences, etc. don't give us directly the proper concepts. We can only translate into understanding that which succeeds to connect with concepts that we already possess from our ordinary life. Nanci for example had read quite some New Age books, so she already had a rich conceptual palette when her NDE occured. So this is the first thing - every person can extract from NDEs and other such states, only as much as can be translated into their conceptual palette. (Even Terence McKenna said "Psychedelics Don't Work On Stupid People"
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Right, that's also what I was saying. And it's not only that there are some independent reality that is only filtered through our conceptual palettes, but (in the discarnate realms) the very perceived reality is in most part a result of the manifestation of that palette by us and the beings sharing with us the same palette ("interest group"), and this is because the palette extends deep into the subconscious and carries our intentions and expectations that are part of the palette. But the same applies to your experiences: you have certain conceptual palette shaped by your Christian and Antroposophic background, so the beyond-physical reality you are experiencing is the result of the manifestation and translation of this palette by you and the beings from your "interest group" there.
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So the views differ in roughly the following way:
On the left is what you suggest, which is that the Spiritual Cosmos consists of independent groups which have their consensual meeting point in the Earth matrix (green). In other words, the groups are completely free from each other, they only become entangled within the Earthly spectrum, where they can experience their temporary interactions.
On the right is the other view where we have higher spheres that represent increasingly integrated potential of the One Consciousness which differentiates towards the lower worlds and enters into myriad complicated relationships.
This can never be resolved formally. Here's how things look from each other's perspective:
The Moon Initiate says to the Sun Initiate: There's no single source, there are only infinite groups emerging like quantum foam from the One Background Consciousness. These groups interact to create a lower level matrices where they can experience relations in more consensual and entangled environment. The more we rise towards the heights of Consciousness the more segregated the groups become to the point that they lose conscious sight of each other (because they no longer interfere in any way). Your Solar group is just a group like any other but has become deluded that it has somewhat more fundamental role.
The Sun Initiate says to the Moon Initiate: The Moon view results from not penetrating enough within the depths of the Spiritual World. Within the Moon sphere (orange circle, World of Imagination) the groups look like they are still separate, but if we rise even further we enter the Sun sphere (yellow, World of Inspiration) where we can already trace how the groups differentiate from a common higher sphere. So instead of the groups becoming more and more segregated the higher we go, on the contrary we find the Universal life of the Spirit that is common to all of them.
Clearly, this can never be resolved. It's each Initiate's word against the other's. So what could we poor humans do? It is up to our freedom and what our high ideal is. Here everything is up to the individual. For example, there are plenty of people here who are perfectly happy with the thin dream picture explanation of reality - the Cosmos just dreams itself, there's no underlying logic, no reasons, no patterns, no rhythms. There are also those who intuit that the lawfulness and structure of the Universe is not there without reason. It is here that the differences between the two views can be more clearly assessed. In the Moon view it is all about consensual Imaginative process (much like Adur's essay here). The rose is a rose, there's no deeper meaning, it's just the Imaginative consensus of otherwise independent groups. In the Sun view we have actual structure, fractally embedded rhythms within rhythms of ideating Spiritual activity. Everything revealed in this way has immediate practical significance for our Earthly life, because these higher order dynamics are not in some separate world but are the actual 'carrier waves' over which the sensory world is like spectrum of overtones. These nested Worlds appear flattened on our sensory screen. That's why, even if we don't have the higher experiences, we can still think about them and decide for ourselves if the flattened dynamics really make sense in relation to the depth dynamics that the seer describes.
So I'm leaving it here. These are things that everyone must ponder for themselves. The most important thing is that everyone should try and identify the true reasons why one or another view seems more sympathetic. In our age especially, the Moon view is preferred because it gives the feeling of independence. People have had enough of being restricted in the Earth matrix and hope that at least after death they can be completely free, true masters of their destiny. This of course leads to specific soul mood, where one feels as a temporary visitor to the Earth inn, and there's no need to delve too much into its details (it's just a consensual Imagination, so there isn't anything to be learnt from it anyway). The Sun view opens the path of the evolutionary development of the Cosmic organism. Every little thing is of significance because it must ultimately find its proper place in a coherent and harmonic Being. This greatly alters the way we look upon all other beings. In the Earth inn we need compassion for the poor drunkards. In the Earth as the Body of Cosmic Man we need actual sacrificial Love. This is the
The Parable of the Good Samaritan.